Lewis Hamilton
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Gary C said:
37chevy said:
zoom star said:
Jackie Stewart didn't seem to come over as a Lewis fan this morning, on R4.
He never has been Right from the start he as barely been able to hid is dislike of Hamilton (or anyone below the age of 60 !)
Durzel said:
I don't realistically see anything changing between now and 2021.
I thought the same until the last few months where Ferrari have looked very competitive. I think he will win next year but it'll be much more of a battle for him to do so. Edited by Durzel on Monday 4th November 10:34
p1stonhead said:
Gary C said:
37chevy said:
zoom star said:
Jackie Stewart didn't seem to come over as a Lewis fan this morning, on R4.
He never has been Right from the start he as barely been able to hid is dislike of Hamilton (or anyone below the age of 60 !)
I know this has come up before and some have said this shouldn't be the case and is disrespectful due to his standing, success and what he has achieved, but I can't stand Jackie Stewart.
p1stonhead said:
Other than the potential obvious reason, which I want to give him the benefit of the doubt on, anyone know why he clearly dislikes our most successful driver ever? It’s bizarre.
Probably just resentment at Hamilton’s immense success. I’ve never liked Stewart. Always thought he was a bitter, sour-faced know-it-all.As a driver you can't fault Lewis, he works hard and certainly has the best team behind him. Every issue Mercedes have, the go away, think about how to rectify the issue, come back focused on that issue knowing that they can rely on Lewis AND Valtteri to drive the car to the maximum. You can't blame Lewis for taking advantage of this, and just concentrate on his part of the equation. Congratulations to both the team and their drivers
Frimley111R said:
Durzel said:
I don't realistically see anything changing between now and 2021.
I thought the same until the last few months where Ferrari have looked very competitive. I think he will win next year but it'll be much more of a battle for him to do so. Edited by Durzel on Monday 4th November 10:34
Having a competitive car is only one piece of the puzzle. If you're in a dominant position you have the luxury of refining your already dominant package. Refinements translate more readily to efficient and reliable improvements on track. If you're Ferrari, or indeed anyone else, you're having to throw the kitchen sink at your car and try different, radical things to try and reach parity. Big, necessary changes carry with them a far greater risk of being wrong, or going wrong.
I personally think this way of having to overengineer things, overdrive your team to match the guys that are just cruising results in fractures everywhere. Strategy, engineering, development, cohesiveness, consistency, reliability - it all becomes inconsistent and strained. I don't think one can underestimate how serene it must be to be in Mercedes's shoes. I'm not saying its easy for them, but when you're winning and on the front foot everything is that bit easier.
Ferrari have got better for sure, and at some points on some tracks they could have been in with a shot, but crucially getting to that point has clearly been such a struggle for them that it has blown up in their faces, multiple times. When you're having to try and undercut or overcut Mercedes your decision after the fact is either lauded as a brilliant call or a shambles, being in the position of having to make that call - regularly - is the problem.
2020 will see Hamilton and Mercedes dominate again, of that I am absolutely certain. More worryingly Mercedes have the money to develop multiple permutations of a potential 2021 car while the regulations are in a state of flux. Since (as far as I know?) the engine part of it is unchanged then they already have an advantage there anyway.
Vettel being susceptible to pressure and inconsistency in the way Hamilton is not doesn't help matters either. LeClerc is one to watch but it's unrealistic to expect him to be seriously in with a shout of beating Hamilton week in, week out, enough to make the WDC not a foregone conclusion.
I admire Mercedes, and Hamilton greatly - you have to. From a spectacle perspective though looking to the midfield for "the real race" is not why I watch F1. There have been THREE teams in the past decade that have won the WDC, it's likely to become two next year.
p1stonhead said:
Other than the potential obvious reason, which I want to give him the benefit of the doubt on, anyone know why he clearly dislikes our most successful driver ever? It’s bizarre.
Jackie has always loved the spotlightHamilton has forced him out of the spotlight ...as he's now the most successful British driver in F1
being controversial about Hamilton gets Jackie back into the spotlight
Durzel said:
Ah well, those that just want to see Hamilton win at the expense of any spectacle will continue to relish every "race", and talk up the chances of everyone else to make it seem more valid. There's no doubting his total brilliance and consistency, but Christ how can anyone be satisfied with the competition?
I'd like to see him win, and you can't really blame Mercedes, who do not run him as no.1 (see Rosberg 2016), or Lewis himself, who has always been consistent in expressing his desire to race and fight for his victories, it's clear he would prefer to avoid the impression of being handed it all on a plate.I don't think it's fair to say there has been no competition, Ferrari has been winning races on outright pace this year, and getting plenty of poles, also races predicted as being dominated by one team have not turned out that way (eg Singapore).
The tyres, fuel flow regulations, and tightening restrictions on numbers of PU components, have all conspired to make it such that winning by the slimmest of margins in any one race is the best way to win the season, two P3s are worth more than a party mode win and a blown engine dnf.
I think all these factors actually disguise how much better than the rest he has been this season.
It isn't season long competition, but there has been genuine entertainment this year in watching a driver and team at the peak of their powers, and how the opposition have been picking away at the immaculate veneer looking for a way to win, and sometimes succeeding.
It's not as if there are no bumps in the road for title no.7 either, plenty of things are possible:
Bottas 3.0.0
A Ferrari that's both quick and legal
Red bull resurgence with a few extra Honda ponies
A best of the rest McLaren that bridges the gap to the top 3.
A haircut so bad the stewards exclude him on taste grounds (this one is just here to wind up the barnet bemoaners
)angrymoby said:
Jackie has always loved the spotlight
Hamilton has forced him out of the spotlight ...as he's now the most successful British driver in F1
being controversial about Hamilton gets Jackie back into the spotlight
He is a vindictive nasty old man in my opinion and his relationship with various royals may well be one reason why Lewis has not been knighted. Hamilton has forced him out of the spotlight ...as he's now the most successful British driver in F1
being controversial about Hamilton gets Jackie back into the spotlight
citizensm1th said:
angrymoby said:
Jackie has always loved the spotlight
Hamilton has forced him out of the spotlight ...as he's now the most successful British driver in F1
being controversial about Hamilton gets Jackie back into the spotlight
He is a vindictive nasty old man in my opinion and his relationship with various royals may well be one reason why Lewis has not been knighted. Hamilton has forced him out of the spotlight ...as he's now the most successful British driver in F1
being controversial about Hamilton gets Jackie back into the spotlight
majordad said:
citizensm1th said:
angrymoby said:
Jackie has always loved the spotlight
Hamilton has forced him out of the spotlight ...as he's now the most successful British driver in F1
being controversial about Hamilton gets Jackie back into the spotlight
He is a vindictive nasty old man in my opinion and his relationship with various royals may well be one reason why Lewis has not been knighted. Hamilton has forced him out of the spotlight ...as he's now the most successful British driver in F1
being controversial about Hamilton gets Jackie back into the spotlight
No idea what else you might be referring to. He is in a league of his own at the moment and his personal life seems to have absolutely zero effect on his performance.
The driver, engineers and team in general are in a league of their own at the moment. The driver is arguably the least important part of the team when the performance of the whole is considered.
Hamilton is a superb driver but too many people think that all of his success is down to him and him alone. It's the Fast and Furious mentality I suppose where people really think the driver can overcome a 100hp deficit purely by his own ability.
Hamilton is a superb driver but too many people think that all of his success is down to him and him alone. It's the Fast and Furious mentality I suppose where people really think the driver can overcome a 100hp deficit purely by his own ability.
vdn said:
majordad said:
... Good driver but not a great one IMHO.
Stewart has no idea what it takes to become a world champion in today's F1 let alone a six times world champion.
He should keep his comments to what it was like in his era and maybe try celebrating a British multi world champion instead of gobbling off about a person who dare I say it I bet he knows very little about
Kraken said:
The driver, engineers and team in general are in a league of their own at the moment. The driver is arguably the least important part of the team when the performance of the whole is considered.
Hamilton is a superb driver but too many people think that all of his success is down to him and him alone. It's the Fast and Furious mentality I suppose where people really think the driver can overcome a 100hp deficit purely by his own ability.
Er... does anyone think that LH’s succes is down to him alone? Seriously? Is there anyone who thinks that a car isn’t involved? Hamilton is a superb driver but too many people think that all of his success is down to him and him alone. It's the Fast and Furious mentality I suppose where people really think the driver can overcome a 100hp deficit purely by his own ability.
Kraken said:
The driver, engineers and team in general are in a league of their own at the moment. The driver is arguably the least important part of the team when the performance of the whole is considered.
Hamilton is a superb driver but too many people think that all of his success is down to him and him alone. It's the Fast and Furious mentality I suppose where people really think the driver can overcome a 100hp deficit purely by his own ability.
Tell that to Christian Spice and RedBull... If the driver was of so little importance Gasly would surely still have a seat? It's a combination as you alluded to but the driver still has to get the most, the best from himself and the equipment given to him by the team. Leclerc getting it done where Vettel had been falling of the track and making mistakes. In spite of everything else, the driver is still key IMO.Hamilton is a superb driver but too many people think that all of his success is down to him and him alone. It's the Fast and Furious mentality I suppose where people really think the driver can overcome a 100hp deficit purely by his own ability.
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