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Lewis answers question with an answer - gate
All your own fault, the troll had his own thread, he was happy there, his name allways on the forum page as OP and he was happy to be out of his dingy damp bridge hole, now as he didn't start this thread he has to continually reply
, no-one else but yourselves to blame 
who let the toll out, who, who , whowho
All your own fault, the troll had his own thread, he was happy there, his name allways on the forum page as OP and he was happy to be out of his dingy damp bridge hole, now as he didn't start this thread he has to continually reply
, no-one else but yourselves to blame who let the toll out, who, who , whowho
S0 What said:
All your own fault, the troll had his own thread, he was happy there, his name allways on the forum page as OP and he was happy to be out of his dingy damp bridge hole, now as he didn't start this thread he has to continually reply
That thread was closed and redirected here by admin. 
S0 What said:
no-one else but yourselves to blame
Clearly not. 
oyster said:
housen said:
r11co said:
housen said:
if people lived their lives like that
we would all get fcked over by the people who employ us
I'm guessing you've 'departed' from a few jobs then..... we would all get fcked over by the people who employ us
I work in a viper pit and get paid well for it
but the people who don't stand up for themselves don't make a bean
That doesn't make you better or them worse.
he asked me a stupid question so I answered
what have I said that its better or worse ???
my point was if u just take in the a22 from your employers u will get screwed ...which was my original point of lewis sticking up for himself and fighting his own corner in a very competitive environment
r11co said:
I totally get that. Thanks also for the reasoned argument that I've avoided requoting.
Thing is I just can't help feeling that his 'leverage' right now would have been best served by getting a team-mate who is grateful for the opportunity and isn't going to cause him any trouble. He seems to be dwelling on the past and assuming that what went before will happen again, which is far from a certainty.
Or he's resolved in his head that it doesn't matter who they put in the car - as long as they're treated at least equally he believes he can beat them so he doesn't care. This isn't 1993 where Prost had a veto on Mansell/Senna so even if he did care he can't influence that anyway so he's focusing effort elsewhere.Thing is I just can't help feeling that his 'leverage' right now would have been best served by getting a team-mate who is grateful for the opportunity and isn't going to cause him any trouble. He seems to be dwelling on the past and assuming that what went before will happen again, which is far from a certainty.
On his first season he kept Alonso honest (in the racing sense, not the grassing up Ron to Max sense), he did the same with button (give or take) and then he's held off Rosberg every year that Rosberg has upped his game to try to beat Lewis.
I don't mean to do Rosberg a disservice but 2016 reminds me of Damon Hill in Adelaide 1994, that's the best race I think I saw Hill drive and there's no way he'd have performed at that level if Schuey hadn't forced him to up his game to such a degree. Hamilton made Rosberg the champion this year by forcing Rosberg to look at every aspect of his craft in the last four years.
This year, in his mind Hamilton only lost it because of the reliability and/or Nico chopping him up in Spain and/or Red Bull ballsing up the last two races where they should have had Rosberg finishing 4th twice. i.e. "It wasn't my fault".
He congratulated Rosberg for winning but when asked if the best driver won, he (like Autosport and most other pundits) wouldn't be drawn to say yes.
That's why he doesn't care who gets the second drive.
housen said:
which was my original point of lewis sticking up for himself and fighting his own corner in a very competitive environment
Not every negotiation has to be confrontational. The best and most productive working relationships are those where everyone is happy and is content they are getting the best deal, even in competitive environments.r11co said:
HustleRussell said:
Why do you keep saying "genuine question"? Genuine question.
Because I am not being rhetorical. I would really like one of the Lewis Hamilton fan collective to answer the question rather than go off on a tangent slagging me off for bringing it to their attention.Secondly, you really do not understand the mind of a competitive sportsman. If something happens that you *think* has given you a disadvantage, you will whinge and main and make sure that as soon as you have an opportunity, you will leverage your positi N to make sure it doesn't happen again. As Lewis has reportedly never asked for #1 status in f1, then perhaps he would be wiser to address his reported issues with the team. These seem to be (among others):
1) mechanic shuffle
2) orders on how to race to the detriment of his WDC challenge.
I would suggest that he has every right to, as you call it bemoan the team on at least those two very public points where Mercedes have commented too. I would in his position, and would not fear my contract given that I was viewed highly as a driver by he other side of my contract.
Of course, for those that do not rate his (or a comparable driver's) value to a team, then they would see it as a risk. I am sure he knows his position better than any of us, and will try to fix what he sees as the issues he has has historically before continuing to try to deliver the best for him, and secondly the best for the team (yes, that is actually how a competitive f1 driver mind works) next season.
stewjohnst said:
That's why he doesn't care who gets the second drive.
Fair point, but it's almost like he is setting himself up for a battle that need not happen. I'm not saying he should insist on being Schumacher to the new-guy's Barichello, but as the present incumbent he should start with the upper hand regardless of who comes in. Can't help thinking his latest comment is undermining that position. Rubbing the team up the wrong way when he has such a strong (and potentially stronger) position within it right now it seems very short-sighted.SeeFive said:
I would suggest that he has every right to, as you call it bemoan the team on at least those two very public points where Mercedes have commented too.
Of course he does - he has the right to say what he likes, but that is not and never was the question. The question is do you or anyone else who supports him think it is in his interests to say negative things about the team at this time bearing in mind the other seat is still vacant and what he says could influence who the team put in that seat and whether or not they decide to concede to Ham's interests or even consult him in the process?Edited by r11co on Monday 19th December 14:57
r11co said:
stewjohnst said:
That's why he doesn't care who gets the second drive.
Fair point, but it's almost like he is setting himself up for a battle that need not happen. I'm not saying he should insist on being Schumacher to the new-guy's Barichello, but as the present incumbent he should start with the upper hand regardless of who comes in. Can't help thinking his latest comment is undermining that position. Rubbing the team up the wrong way when he has such a strong (and potentially stronger) position within it right now it seems very short-sighted.r11co said:
Fair point, but it's almost like he is setting himself up for a battle that need not happen. I'm not saying he should insist on being Schumacher to the new-guy's Barichello, but as the present incumbent he should start with the upper hand regardless of who comes in. Can't help thinking his latest comment is undermining that position. Rubbing the team up the wrong way when he has such a strong (and potentially stronger) position within it right now it seems very short-sighted.
Yes but remember, he knows that in laymen's terms, the team are 'his b
h' despite his public grumbles.Over the years, he's proven time and again that unless there's a remote control button that can take over his car, he will do what he wants in the race (as will the other 20-odd of them if faced with a race win/WDC) and every time they let him get away with it.
Hungary a few years back, Abu Dhabi, etc. He never got made to sit out a race or anything that would truly affect him.
I have a dog, he isn't allowed on the sofa and he knows it.
I was on holiday for a few days and the parents had him, first day back with us, he tried to get on the sofa because they'd let him...give them an inch and all that.
Mercedes problem is that they didn't flog Lewis the first time he jumped on the sofa and now they're stuck with pandering to him no matter what he does (in the sense that they keep giving him machines and he goes and wins races and WDC's for them, the horror).
SeeFive said:
You are completely entitled to that view. You may have difficulty convincing others that it is one they should share.
It's not about whether anyone shares it or not. The point is Ham made the comments and he needs to be mindful of how they are perceived by Mercedes management at this time. That is a plain statement of fact regardless of anyone's opinion (and is the nettle no-one in here who supports Ham seems to want to grasp).r11co said:
Of course he does - he has the right to say what he likes, but that is not and never was the question. The question is do you or anyone else who supports him think it is in his interests to say negative things about the team at this time bearing in mind the other seat is still vacant and what he says could influence who the team put in that seat and whether or not they decide to concede to Ham's interests or even consult him in the process?
Firstly, I do not "support" Lewis. He seems to do that quite well on his own merits.Edited by r11co on Monday 19th December 14:57
Yes I do agree with him airing his grievances at this time. I also agree that he should not be giving a toss about who his team mate is, whether he can influence that decision, or whether they like tea or coffee given his stated position and obvious confidence in his ability.
Is that clear enough for you?
ETA: your question seems to have changed a bit:
a fair minded r11co said:
Disregarding that it is LH for a while (thus disarming the fanbois), discuss. At what point do the builders of the best F1 car think that they could throw their slack-mouthed losing second driver to the wind and put two of the many others queueing for the seats in his place?
What would you like to change it to now?
Edited by SeeFive on Monday 19th December 15:08
stewjohnst said:
Yes but remember, he knows that in laymen's terms, the team are 'his bh' despite his public grumbles.
Agreed!h' despite his public grumbles.Thing is, Mercedes is a large operation and it would only take someone in the marketing department to decide that the money being spent on F1 and servicing Hamilton's ego in return for his negative publicity would be better put somewhere else (there are plenty other sportpeople and celebs who could hit the same demographic) and it then wouldn't matter than he's got Lauda, Wolff and Lowe wiping his arse for him.
Comical too how even Christian Horner seems to have the measure of the Mercedes three, and very telling that Ross Brawn stepped down when he did.
Edited by r11co on Monday 19th December 15:12
r11co said:
stewjohnst said:
Yes but remember, he knows that in laymen's terms, the team are 'his bh' despite his public grumbles.
Agreed!h' despite his public grumbles.Thing is, Mercedes is a large operation and it would only take someone in the marketing department to decide that the money being spent on F1 and servicing Hamilton's ego in return for his negative publicity would be better put somewhere else (there are plenty other sportpeople and celebs who could hit the same demographic) and it then wouldn't matter than he's got Lauda, Wolff and Lowe wiping his arse for him.
but id say their marketing team is pretty well invested in him
and ooohhh yes ocon and di resta are such huge personality's
have u seen the crowds at Silverstone
S0 What said:
Lewis answers question with an answer - gate
All your own fault, the troll had his own thread, he was happy there, his name allways on the forum page as OP and he was happy to be out of his dingy damp bridge hole, now as he didn't start this thread he has to continually reply, no-one else but yourselves to blame
who let the toll out, who, who , whowho
hahahahaAll your own fault, the troll had his own thread, he was happy there, his name allways on the forum page as OP and he was happy to be out of his dingy damp bridge hole, now as he didn't start this thread he has to continually reply
, no-one else but yourselves to blame who let the toll out, who, who , whowho
stewjohnst said:
Haha! That guy uses big words. He funny. 
Go back to your crayons.
r11co said:
Agreed!
Thing is, Mercedes is a large operation and it would only take someone in the marketing department to decide that the money being spent on F1 and servicing Hamilton's ego in return for his negative publicity would be better put somewhere else (there are plenty other sportpeople and celebs who could hit the same demographic) and it then wouldn't matter than he's got Lauda, Wolff and Lowe wiping his arse for him.
Comical too how even Christian Horner seems to have the measure of the Mercedes three, and very telling that Ross Brawn stepped down when he did.
it seems that anything Hamilton said or did would be wrong in your eyes.Thing is, Mercedes is a large operation and it would only take someone in the marketing department to decide that the money being spent on F1 and servicing Hamilton's ego in return for his negative publicity would be better put somewhere else (there are plenty other sportpeople and celebs who could hit the same demographic) and it then wouldn't matter than he's got Lauda, Wolff and Lowe wiping his arse for him.
Comical too how even Christian Horner seems to have the measure of the Mercedes three, and very telling that Ross Brawn stepped down when he did.
Edited by r11co on Monday 19th December 15:12
I am very sure that Mercedes know exactly what they have got in Hamilton and know where he fits in their future plans.
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