Official 2022 Italian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

Official 2022 Italian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

Poll: Official 2022 Italian Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***

Total Members Polled: 164

Hamilton: 12%
Russell: 3%
Verstappen: 63%
Perez: 0%
Leclerc: 16%
Sainz: 7%
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satfinal

2,622 posts

164 months

Monday 12th September 2022
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It was a bit poo to end under SC. But I'm not a fan of the alternative either (Baku 2021)

A very very small % of races have ended under SC, it's just the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. They followed the rules properly and were a little slow, but it was proper.

Shame danny ric couldn't have blown his engine 45 laps earlier to save ourselves from a DRS train.

heebeegeetee

28,922 posts

250 months

Monday 12th September 2022
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Jasandjules said:
Nope, oddly yesterday they were able to follow the rules... Someone on the Sky team basically said at least they managed to follow the rules, unlike in Abu........ Think it was Ted but not sure.
https://youtu.be/gI83nDNZXl0?t=65

This? smile

andburg

7,375 posts

171 months

Monday 12th September 2022
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Mark-C said:
kambites said:
Jasandjules said:
Cold said:
A crew member came over a bit later to do his straps etc.
Yes he said to Sky F1 afterwards that he was simply not fit enough to cope with a full race and he had been doing things other than training. Incredible really given his previous experience in driving etc. Really shows how fit F1 drivers actually are.
I think it makes his performance all the more impressive, really. I'd like to see him have a go against... well anyone who isn't Latifi really, to see how he gets on.
I hope he gets the Williams seat alongside Albon next year - would make the strongest driver pairing they've had for a long while
He highlighted something I'd thought almost long gone, the physicality of driving an F1 car for a full race, even with a prolonged safety car period he couldnt get out of the cockpit himself or lift his arms and that Monza...the track with probably the least amount of corners.

We're not talking some guy of the street just dropped in, FE champion and a contract reserve driver so he will have been keeping on top of his fitness.

Seeing that makes me realize just how hard it is going to be for the likes of Jamie Chadwick to compete in F1, just being fast isnt enough.

paulw123

3,284 posts

192 months

Monday 12th September 2022
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Bowser87 said:
paulw123 said:
The rules that were followed apparently. Rules , grrrr
Not every race has to have a “grandstand finish” it’s pathetic. Rules are rules. Not helped by the commentary team searching for controversy at every turn.
I was just being sarcastic. The rulers were followed and the result was correct. Sometimes the race will finish under a SC. That’s the way of the sport.
Perez was the only one who lost out really as he needent have stopped for new tyres

Likes Fast Cars

2,780 posts

167 months

Monday 12th September 2022
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HustleRussell said:
Spare a thought for Nicholas Latifi…
Nicholas who?....

Roofless Toothless

5,764 posts

134 months

Monday 12th September 2022
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Not so much now, but I used to watch a lot of Indycar races, it is not at all unusual for races to end under the safety car. Not ideal, but everybody seems to be used to it.

It doesn’t worry me at all. There’ll be another race along next weekend, and the world keeps turning on its axis in the meantime.

MustangGT

11,700 posts

282 months

Monday 12th September 2022
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paulw123 said:
I was just being sarcastic. The rulers were followed and the result was correct. Sometimes the race will finish under a SC. That’s the way of the sport.
Perez was the only one who lost out really as he needent have stopped for new tyres
Indeed.

It is probably Merc that gained the most with no restart. It is likely that Carlos could have got past George and Checo past Lewis in a 1 or 2 lap full out race.

paulguitar

24,029 posts

115 months

Monday 12th September 2022
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Roofless Toothless said:
Not so much now, but I used to watch a lot of Indycar races, it is not at all unusual for races to end under the safety car. Not ideal, but everybody seems to be used to it.

It doesn’t worry me at all. There’ll be another race along next weekend, and the world keeps turning on its axis in the meantime.
No race next weekend, of the weekend after that, sadly.


I agree though. Sometimes races finish under the safety car, and that's the way it is. Not an exciting way to end a race, but just the right thing to do. If you're going to have rules, you really should follow them.

kambites

67,707 posts

223 months

Monday 12th September 2022
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The issue was that the FIA seemed incapable of giving all of the lapped cars the message to unlap themselves. Given that those cars didn't unlap themselves, finishing under safety car was, of course, the only way to finish the race within the rules of the sport.

It also took race control rather a long time to call out the safety car in the first place given that it was entirely obvious from where the Mclaren was stranded that it would be required. So the FIA did far better this weekend than at the end of last season in that they at least followed the rules; but they hardly showed themselves to be entirely on-the-ball.

simon_harris

1,395 posts

36 months

Monday 12th September 2022
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has there been any word on why the two lapped cars didn't unlap themselves?


C70R

17,596 posts

106 months

Monday 12th September 2022
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Couldn't watch yesterday, so catching up this morning. Not what might be described as a classic, sadly. Some nice action in periods further down the field, but the lead and the race win was never in doubt after the first lap. Again, 99% of overtaking was done into the DRS zone braking point.

The ending was sort of what the race deserved. Watching the recovery truck out on circuit was a bit of a flashback to Japan. Felt a tad risky.

By lap 39, more than 60s separated the top 3, which comprised the three top teams. Sainz and Hamilton showed how ridiculously dominant the top cars are at a power circuit.

With soft tyres running for almost half the race from the start, there was no real jeopardy about tyre choice either. Watching teams waiting for a safety car to dictate their strategies is not exactly great for the viewer.

De Vries showed us how utterly pointless Latifi is, again. Really pleased to see him get a few points for his efforts.

Max and RB showing how utterly dominant that package is this year. As Sky said, they can basically run whatever strategy they want, as they are so fast.

C70R

17,596 posts

106 months

Monday 12th September 2022
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Sky continuing to stir the controversy pot, piping in the booing from the grandstand microphones over Max's radio chat on the cooldown lap.

All a bit pathetic really.

Edited by C70R on Monday 12th September 11:26

C70R

17,596 posts

106 months

Monday 12th September 2022
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Even with the slightly unsatisfactory finish, Leclerc didn't have a cat in hell's chance of beating Max in a short sprint.

And even if he had, it would have been a total travesty given how good Max/RB were for the previous 50-odd laps.

Sky commentators spent most of the immediate aftermath talking about the disappointment of the safety car finish, rather than how incredible the win was. Stirring the pot as ever.

Edited by C70R on Monday 12th September 11:31

C70R

17,596 posts

106 months

Monday 12th September 2022
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Sky also turned up the crowd booing louder for Max's post-race interview than they did for the cheering for Leclerc's.

It's all so tragically antagonistic, and some people will fall for it hook, line and sinker.

Byker28i

61,274 posts

219 months

Monday 12th September 2022
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carl_w said:
heebeegeetee said:
Well Max hasn't done anything wrong, he just seems to be the beneficiary of whichever way the FIA decide they're going to operate the safety car on the day. smile
This has been manipulated, man
It was but that was at the start of last seasons rules to favour the RB/high rake cars and deliberately end Mercs domination.

Max deserved the win yesterday - fastest car, best strategy in the end. Even Lewis said it was nice to see the rules obeyed for the ending biggrin

vaud

50,818 posts

157 months

Monday 12th September 2022
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Did they control the audio feed or was that with the FOM team?

satfinal

2,622 posts

164 months

Monday 12th September 2022
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https://streamable.com/ogsxbq

hehe

I did miss JPM when he left the sport. He was a character alright

vaud

50,818 posts

157 months

Monday 12th September 2022
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satfinal said:
https://streamable.com/ogsxbq

hehe

I did miss JPM when he left the sport. He was a character alright
Might see his son in F1 in a few years...

PhilAsia

3,947 posts

77 months

Monday 12th September 2022
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simon_harris said:
has there been any word on why the two lapped cars didn't unlap themselves?
They had an FIA-induced three hour flashback on the derivations of "any" and "all"... biggrin

paulguitar

24,029 posts

115 months

Monday 12th September 2022
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C70R said:
Sky commentators spent most of the immediate aftermath talking about the disappointment of the safety car finish, rather than how incredible the win was.

Edited by C70R on Monday 12th September 11:31
I'm not sure the win was 'incredible'. It was widely predicted before the start and what we saw was what everyone expected.