The Official 2017 US Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**

[HTP99]

paua said:

Vaud said:

There is an element of "playstation generation", but then we don't like seeing our heroes die on television from an error. I agree that 30-40 years ago errors meant not finishing the race (or even being killed)

The problem is that race tracks have multiple uses. What might work for one formula, wouldn't for another. Bikes and cars need different run offs as I understand it so we inevitably end up with a compromise.

Given technology, would a better punishment be a remote deployed power loss to the car for X seconds? Losing 100hp for a lap? Just an idea.

Agreed, we don't want to see people dying etc. I'm sure technology exists to do something as you suggest, cross a laser beam & forfeit a place/ penalty, etc. A solution is needed.

There is also the issue of some tracks, you are allowed to do it on certain corners as it is deemed that there is no advantage gained on that particular corner if you do cut it; if that is the case why do drivers do it?!

It should be a blanket, across all circuits and all corners; all 4 wheels off the track at a corner, if you complete an overtake then you give the place back immediately, if there is no overtake you get 1 warning, do it again and you get 5 seconds added to your finishing time, end of.

It can just get so bloody confusing and inconsistent.

[angrymoby]

it's almost like drivers should be told which corners will have track limit's enforced & which ones wont (for obvious reasons) maybe in some form of 'briefing' ...oh hang on

as for consistency, pretty sure you can't have the same rules for cutting apex's & running out wide on exits (again, for obvious reasons)

& in the interests of consistency, i'd like to see any other examples of apex cutting not being punished (& not only in Austin)

RBR really should just stfu at times

(Max would still be my driver of the day btw)

Edited by angrymoby on Monday 23 October 11:09

[Vaud]

Or just scrap the rule on track limits. It's not like they are going to go offroad and create a shortcut.

[swisstoni]

moanthebairns said:

motco said:

The eagle...

I saw this last night and it puzzled me for a few laps. I'm sure I saw it a few times. I concluded or guessed it must have been the "zip line wire camera".

Did turn one have one of these like at other GP's with just a eagle outline on top of the camera to create this. If others are saying its super imposed well I never.

edit: now I see that image its far too big for that. It must be imposed

Edited by moanthebairns on Monday 23 October 10:53

What about the shadow of the giant peering past the skyscraper?

[LaurasOtherHalf]

I've thought this for years, why don't they just put those polystyrene advertising boards up on the areas where drivers can gain an advantage (like they stagger at the chicane at turn 1 Monza)?

Hit one and recurve a drive through penalty.

[jm doc]

thegreenhell said:

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Perhaps, but running wide on exit is making the track longer, whereas cutting an apex is shortening the track. To make a pass while cutting a corner out of bounds should result in a penalty. I don't think anyone successfully executed a pass by running wide off track around the outside of another car, but if they had I would expect them to receive a similar penalty.

Vettel on Hamilton, turn one
Don't recall him getting a penalty

And as to your first point, running wide out of a turn allows you to exit more quickly and carry greater speed down the track, a significant advantage.

[thegreenhell]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

I've thought this for years, why don't they just put those polystyrene advertising boards up on the areas where drivers can gain an advantage (like they stagger at the chicane at turn 1 Monza)?

Hit one and recurve a drive through penalty.

They should put up some of those plastic bollards that are easily knocked over, then tell the drivers that one of them somewhere around the circuit has an iron bar inside it embedded in the ground.

[angrymoby]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

I've thought this for years, why don't they just put those polystyrene advertising boards up on the areas where drivers can gain an advantage (like they stagger at the chicane at turn 1 Monza)?

Hit one and recurve a drive through penalty.

bit harsh on those crowded off track into them ...plus, it would only be useful once

[Vaud]

angrymoby said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

I've thought this for years, why don't they just put those polystyrene advertising boards up on the areas where drivers can gain an advantage (like they stagger at the chicane at turn 1 Monza)?

Hit one and recurve a drive through penalty.

bit harsh on those crowded off track into them ...plus, it would only be useful once

Not sure adding something that would create a lot of debris to the track is a great idea. Easily ingested into radiators, etc?

[HustleRussell]

jm doc said:

thegreenhell said:

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Perhaps, but running wide on exit is making the track longer, whereas cutting an apex is shortening the track. To make a pass while cutting a corner out of bounds should result in a penalty. I don't think anyone successfully executed a pass by running wide off track around the outside of another car, but if they had I would expect them to receive a similar penalty.

Vettel on Hamilton, turn one
Don't recall him getting a penalty

And as to your first point, running wide out of a turn allows you to exit more quickly and carry greater speed down the track, a significant advantage.

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I disagree, the serrated kerbs and the dusty / painted tarmac beyond destroy exit traction and if it doesn’t cost time in that corner exit it will cost time in dirty / overheated tyres for the next few corners. Plus there’s the added risk of car damage.

The main place you will have noticed cars particularly the Red Bulls running all the way off the track unforced was turn 19 which is fast in and has a downhill exit, the number of times they ran off the track there would suggest there must be little or no time lost but you certainly aren’t going to gain time doing that.

People were run wide at turn 1 by cars up the inside, you can’t penalise that as it is the aggressors fault and is a function of the geometry of the corner and the runoff area

Max simply cut the corner and was penalised, the enforcement of track limits always varies by corner and buy circuit but overtaking four wheels off on the inside of a corner and keeping the place is a slam dunk penalty IMO.

[angrymoby]

HustleRussell said:

I disagree, the serrated kerbs and the dusty / painted tarmac beyond destroy exit traction and if it doesn’t cost time in that corner exit it will cost time in dirty / overheated tyres for the next few corners. Plus there’s the added risk of car damage.

Indeed & Bottas's excursion at turn 1 damaged his floor & subsequent pace

[zebra]

_Leg_ said:

PompeyM3 said:

Are they going to do this at Silverstone next year ?

Thet could get the bloke that used to do Bullseye to read out the names !!!!

This! Brilliant.

Iiiiiiiiiiiin 44, Lewis Hamilton

Iiiiiiiiin 5, Sebastian Vettel

and when they win

"Now, it'll take the time of the commercial break for me to count your winnings."

.....as long as three hefty blokes pull each driver out from behind curtains on a platform, with the Bullseye music in the background. If you do it, you have to go big or go home.

[stiII_I_undomyseatbelts]

Anyone saying that others going off the track didn't gain any advantage clearly don't understand the point of going off the track. It always is to gain advantage even if it doesn't end up in physically changing positions.

I did enjoy watching Lewis undo his belts again. No action from FIA I reckon?

[HustleRussell]

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I can't watch the video right now. However, the car is either on the track or off the track. By the loosest definition if part of one tyre is on the correct side of the white line the car is on the track. I'd be surprised if Hamilton was four wheels off on his pole lap.

[johnwilliams77]

stiII_I_undomyseatbelts said:

Anyone saying that others going off the track didn't gain any advantage clearly don't understand the point of going off the track. It always is to gain advantage even if it doesn't end up in physically changing positions.

I did enjoy watching Lewis undo his belts again. No action from FIA I reckon?

Correct

[angrymoby]

stiII_I_undomyseatbelts said:

Anyone saying that others going off the track didn't gain any advantage clearly don't understand the point of going off the track. It always is to gain advantage even if it doesn't end up in physically changing positions.

I did enjoy watching Lewis undo his belts again. No action from FIA I reckon?

I bet that was worth the effort of setting up a new account

[theAmerican]

RIC pushed BOT wide at T1, this is nothing like VER MarioKart excursion off track.

Also, RIC should’ve cemented the move on BOT by pinning himself to the white line/edge of track instead of diving back towards the racing line & allowing space for BOT to come back onto the track. That would’ve been the way to do it. No need for walls/gravel, he just needed to be more ruthless

Edited by theAmerican on Monday 23 October 12:39

[HustleRussell]

stiII_I_undomyseatbelts said:

Anyone saying that others going off the track didn't gain any advantage clearly don't understand the point of going off the track. It always is to gain advantage even if it doesn't end up in physically changing positions.

In my experience, going off track is most often a method of mitigating the loss of time as opposed to a method of gaining time. Driver brakes too late or is otherwise too fast on entry, still has to pick up the throttle on apex or else will lose sheds of time, essentially choosing to run wide and maintain speed rather than applying the throttle later or more gradually. The loss of time is guaranteed before the apex and mitigated by using the kerb heavily.

[kambites]

One could argue that's still gaining an advantage compared to the alternative.

[thegreenhell]

Is it an advantage or just minimising a disadvantage when running wide on a corner? It's not easy to quantify, hence probably why no penalties are given in most instances, especially when every single car is doing it at some point. Do you give every driver a 5 second penalty? What's the point.

Overtaking another car while cutting a corner is easy to quantify the advantage gained, because you passed another car who was within the track limits while you weren't. It's not really defensible.