The Official F1 2024 silly season *contains speculation*
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the-norseman said:
The Alpha Tauri Instagram account has now gone.
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Naming using title sponsors takes the sports’ commercialism too far for me. Part of F1 is allegiance to/interest in teams, and their future constant change depending upon highest bidders massively devalues those identities. First move they’ve made post-Bernie that I strongly dislike. Same owners and new name is not the same as new owners new name. And yes, I despised Alpha Tauri’s/Torro Rosso’s previous change.
carl_w said:
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Yeh I mean they have hidden is so ti cant be seen.https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/new-alphatauri-...
Still Mulling said:
Naming using title sponsors takes the sports’ commercialism too far for me. Part of F1 is allegiance to/interest in teams, and their future constant change depending upon highest bidders massively devalues those identities. First move they’ve made post-Bernie that I strongly dislike. Same owners and new name is not the same as new owners new name. And yes, I despised Alpha Tauri’s/Torro Rosso’s previous change.
It's been happening ever since sponsorship appeared on racing cars.Still Mulling said:
520TORQUES said:
It's been happening ever since sponsorship appeared on racing cars.
Not so carelessly and crassly, to me. 
Indeed. I’ve been further considering:
Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro. I think was OK with because the manufacturer remained the primary component.
Alpha Tauri: I could handle because it at least created a singular identity.
Kick Swipe Pampers Sauber Microfilms (or whatever they’re called): who are you supporting? Who’s doing the hard work? It’s just a bloody awful mess, and I think what could annoy me most is simply that somebody in marketing has been paid a lot to do a frankly terrible job.
Anyway, back on topic: Lando to announce a move to Red Bull for 2025 by the summer break? I hope not, just because I’d like McLaren to build him a winning car.
Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro. I think was OK with because the manufacturer remained the primary component.
Alpha Tauri: I could handle because it at least created a singular identity.
Kick Swipe Pampers Sauber Microfilms (or whatever they’re called): who are you supporting? Who’s doing the hard work? It’s just a bloody awful mess, and I think what could annoy me most is simply that somebody in marketing has been paid a lot to do a frankly terrible job.
Anyway, back on topic: Lando to announce a move to Red Bull for 2025 by the summer break? I hope not, just because I’d like McLaren to build him a winning car.
PRO 5T said:
McLaren aren't winning as a Mercedes customer.
...yet.Last year was a Red Bull walkover but McLaren had a decent car in the second half of the season. Maybe along with Aston Martin in the first half of last year, they've looked good while Mercedes themselves have spent 2 years trying and failing to fix the small sidepods idea. Meanwhile the Ferrari and Red Bull customer teams were at the back, behind Williams.
Alpha Tauri (let's call them that for now) could make a big jump this year if all the Red Bull B team stuff is true with their car.
That would leave Sauber and Haas as the tail enders for 2024.
Dr Murdoch said:
PRO 5T said:
McLaren aren't winning as a Mercedes customer.
They already have, twice.Ricciardo (Monza GP) & Piastri (sprint race)
The one outlier was Brawn GP in '09 and that was completely down to the early advantage of the double defuser.
Yes Red Bull were Renault "customers" through their dominance but Red Bull led them in the design of the engine. By the time they were winning again they were leading Honda with their supported engine.
Still Mulling said:
Anyway, back on topic: Lando to announce a move to Red Bull for 2025 by the summer break? I hope not, just because I’d like McLaren to build him a winning car.
God I hope not would be a waste of a big talent to be a No. 2 driver. Let the journeyman race alongside Max and give him someone to fight elsewhere I think the whole Alpha Tauri "taking everything they can from RB" could backfire on them. That is what HAAS do with Ferrari, they buy everything except chassis and aero surfaces. There have been comments from HAAS that that hinders their development because if they get upgraded suspension from Ferrari, it might not meet the needs of their chassis and aero but they can't build something different themselves.
With any luck, it will dump AT at the back, hopefully behind HAAS. If it does, at least they'll still have decent catering
With any luck, it will dump AT at the back, hopefully behind HAAS. If it does, at least they'll still have decent catering
stemll said:
I think the whole Alpha Tauri "taking everything they can from RB" could backfire on them. That is what HAAS do with Ferrari, they buy everything except chassis and aero surfaces. There have been comments from HAAS that that hinders their development because if they get upgraded suspension from Ferrari, it might not meet the needs of their chassis and aero but they can't build something different themselves.
With any luck, it will dump AT at the back, hopefully behind HAAS. If it does, at least they'll still have decent catering
Except Ferrari don’t really have any interest in HAAS doing well as long as they pay. With any luck, it will dump AT at the back, hopefully behind HAAS. If it does, at least they'll still have decent catering
Whereas I suspect Red Bull will be rather more keen for StupidName Racing Bull to do well
stemll said:
I think the whole Alpha Tauri "taking everything they can from RB" could backfire on them. That is what HAAS do with Ferrari, they buy everything except chassis and aero surfaces. There have been comments from HAAS that that hinders their development because if they get upgraded suspension from Ferrari, it might not meet the needs of their chassis and aero but they can't build something different themselves.
With any luck, it will dump AT at the back, hopefully behind HAAS. If it does, at least they'll still have decent catering
The worry is that they trade with each other, pooling resources to take the absolute maximum advantage of two budget caps to design two almost identical cars. With any luck, it will dump AT at the back, hopefully behind HAAS. If it does, at least they'll still have decent catering
The Ferrari/Haas trade was all one way, and the RB/whateverthef
ktheycallthemselvesthisweek trade also needs to be only ever one way, with the full development cost on the senior team. PRO 5T said:
McLaren aren't winning as a Mercedes customer.
That was the reason they left the first time round for Honda and Renault but nowadays I would think youd get exactlly the same engine as the works team. Especially with engine frrezes unlike back when there were engine upgrades and the works team could have the new engine timed for the upgrade swap.Unless of course you are a ferrari customer then maybe the horse is missing a leg or somehting.
Sandpit Steve said:
stemll said:
I think the whole Alpha Tauri "taking everything they can from RB" could backfire on them. That is what HAAS do with Ferrari, they buy everything except chassis and aero surfaces. There have been comments from HAAS that that hinders their development because if they get upgraded suspension from Ferrari, it might not meet the needs of their chassis and aero but they can't build something different themselves.
With any luck, it will dump AT at the back, hopefully behind HAAS. If it does, at least they'll still have decent catering
The worry is that they trade with each other, pooling resources to take the absolute maximum advantage of two budget caps to design two almost identical cars. With any luck, it will dump AT at the back, hopefully behind HAAS. If it does, at least they'll still have decent catering
The Ferrari/Haas trade was all one way, and the RB/whateverthef
ktheycallthemselvesthisweek trade also needs to be only ever one way, with the full development cost on the senior team. Fez and Merc could have bought a couple of teams very cheaply a few years ago….. but opted not to.
Now RB have an advantage, they are all crying like babies again….. asking for rule changes rather than getting their head down to get level in car development.
I bet Zak wouldn’t be complaining if he was heading up RB instead of Mac.
Orchardab said:
Sandpit Steve said:
stemll said:
I think the whole Alpha Tauri "taking everything they can from RB" could backfire on them. That is what HAAS do with Ferrari, they buy everything except chassis and aero surfaces. There have been comments from HAAS that that hinders their development because if they get upgraded suspension from Ferrari, it might not meet the needs of their chassis and aero but they can't build something different themselves.
With any luck, it will dump AT at the back, hopefully behind HAAS. If it does, at least they'll still have decent catering
The worry is that they trade with each other, pooling resources to take the absolute maximum advantage of two budget caps to design two almost identical cars. With any luck, it will dump AT at the back, hopefully behind HAAS. If it does, at least they'll still have decent catering
The Ferrari/Haas trade was all one way, and the RB/whateverthef
ktheycallthemselvesthisweek trade also needs to be only ever one way, with the full development cost on the senior team. Fez and Merc could have bought a couple of teams very cheaply a few years ago….. but opted not to.
Now RB have an advantage, they are all crying like babies again….. asking for rule changes rather than getting their head down to get level in car development.
I bet Zak wouldn’t be complaining if he was heading up RB instead of Mac.
Years ago most team were loss making or subsidised by a car company. Its only recently that have any team is worth £1b or similar.
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