Official 2019 Azerbaijan Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
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London424 said:
Thanks!Petrus1983 said:
So far this season Daniel Ricciardo is looking like a very expensive mid field runner at best and certainly hasn’t brought the magic to the team they must have been in expecting.
Isn't this a Schumacher at Mercedes, Hamilton at Mercedes, type setup... There's a lot of work going on under the hood and it'll take a few years to get right?I think DR has done the best thing by jumping from Red Bull - he'd never get a chance to win there, hence it's better to jump and fall, then just sit safely as number 2. I like that attitude, more so than the play it safe!
Petrus1983 said:
Agreed - but I seem to recall Alonso in the McLaren thinking “how the hell did he do that”, slammed his team mate (who’s now in FE as a result) and like him or not always delivered. NH is a very good driver, but so far I definitely wouldn’t say DR is outclassing him by any margin.
Forced to agree DR hasn't shone this season, even compared to NH. But whatever the reason, we do know he has genuine talent. Maybe he just doesn't get on with the Renault car.I know the reasons he left and they were fair enough. It's a shame he's not at RB this season though, if he was they would be threatening Ferrari for WCC points I think.
TheDeuce said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
TheDeuce said:
They didn't get their strategy wrong I don't think. They just did the best with what they had - it's just that what they have is less than people were led to believe. Maybe less than they themselves believed.
If they really did have the fastest car then it would have all made sense. But in the end, they don't. All they have done to be 'fast' this season had come at the expense of race strategy or reliability. They haven't actually been solidly faster than Mercedes once.
Bahrain?If they really did have the fastest car then it would have all made sense. But in the end, they don't. All they have done to be 'fast' this season had come at the expense of race strategy or reliability. They haven't actually been solidly faster than Mercedes once.
To finish first... And all that.
Deesee said:
Bahrain Sectors..
I seem to remember Lewis passing Seb too, not under DRS, so passing needs at least a 1 second lap delta.
I don't think we've seen full potential yet from Merc.
Hamilton did the undercut and had warmer tyres than Vettel when he went for the pass. CLC was about 9 or 10 seconds up the road before he hit trouble.]I seem to remember Lewis passing Seb too, not under DRS, so passing needs at least a 1 second lap delta.
I don't think we've seen full potential yet from Merc.
Saying Ferrari were no quicker than Mercedes in Bahrain is arguing the unarguable.
janesmith1950 said:
Deesee said:
Bahrain Sectors..
I seem to remember Lewis passing Seb too, not under DRS, so passing needs at least a 1 second lap delta.
I don't think we've seen full potential yet from Merc.
Hamilton did the undercut and had warmer tyres than Vettel when he went for the pass. CLC was about 9 or 10 seconds up the road before he hit trouble.]I seem to remember Lewis passing Seb too, not under DRS, so passing needs at least a 1 second lap delta.
I don't think we've seen full potential yet from Merc.
Saying Ferrari were no quicker than Mercedes in Bahrain is arguing the unarguable.
Lewis took 4 seconds off CLC and got the gap to 6 before CLC hit trouble.
For sure they (Ferrari) have pace in patches of the race, Narrow tyre operating window/ ICE too thirsty? Just not overall Race Pace, otherwise they would not be covering off the Red Bulls.
Deesee said:
Max caused the undercut, Ferrari were concerned about track position? Merc pulled lewis in for a second stop onto the softs.
Lewis took 4 seconds off CLC and got the gap to 6 before CLC hit trouble.
For sure they (Ferrari) have pace in patches of the race, Narrow tyre operating window/ ICE too thirsty? Just not overall Race Pace, otherwise they would not be covering off the Red Bulls.
Vettel did make reference to the narrow tyre operating window in his post race interview. Lewis took 4 seconds off CLC and got the gap to 6 before CLC hit trouble.
For sure they (Ferrari) have pace in patches of the race, Narrow tyre operating window/ ICE too thirsty? Just not overall Race Pace, otherwise they would not be covering off the Red Bulls.
TheDeuce said:
Forced to agree DR hasn't shone this season, even compared to NH. But whatever the reason, we do know he has genuine talent. Maybe he just doesn't get on with the Renault car.
I know the reasons he left and they were fair enough. It's a shame he's not at RB this season though, if he was they would be threatening Ferrari for WCC points I think.
DR always shines on the brakes, and at the moment both drivers are complaining about the brakes having little feel and being snatchy for locking - Renault were going to try a different disc and pad this weekend to try to cure it, but with the loss of FP1 they reverted to the old spec to be safe. I know the reasons he left and they were fair enough. It's a shame he's not at RB this season though, if he was they would be threatening Ferrari for WCC points I think.
In the comparison with Lewis going to midfield Mercs from Mclaren that's actually pretty similar - if you remember his first year he hated the original Brembo brakes until they tried the Akebono (or whoever it was at the time) setup the same as Mclaren that he was used to, then later Brembo tailored the discs and pads to give him similar feel and feedback.
Edited by PhillipM on Monday 29th April 11:52
jm doc said:
How did the front runners lose two seconds to Bottas under the VSC?
This is interesting - basically, it seems it’s something Bottas has been working on.https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/lewis-hamilton-...
SmoothCriminal said:
Lewis Hamilton said:
I didn't get the job done in qualifying, he did, and in the race I was too friendly at turn one and basically gave it to him,
But he drove a fantastic race, made no mistakes and deserved the win this weekend.
But he drove a fantastic race, made no mistakes and deserved the win this weekend.
rdjohn said:
jm doc said:
How did the front runners lose two seconds to Bottas under the VSC?
This is interesting - basically, it seems it’s something Bottas has been working on.https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/lewis-hamilton-...
Vettel, who won 4 titles in a row at Red Bull, says that Mercedes winning everything is boring 
"Boring, isn't it?" Vettel said. "So boring. It's not just four races. It has been four years, more or less."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/48093928
Yes its an Andrew Benson article, and Vettel might have been making a joke of it.
"Boring, isn't it?" Vettel said. "So boring. It's not just four races. It has been four years, more or less."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/48093928
Yes its an Andrew Benson article, and Vettel might have been making a joke of it.
Edited by ajprice on Monday 29th April 13:26
ajprice said:
Vettel, who won 4 titles in a row at Red Bull, says that Mercedes winning everything is boring
"Boring, isn't it?" Vettel said. "So boring. It's not just four races. It has been four years, more or less."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/48093928
Vettel and Red Bull never dominated the way Mercedes are now. You could argue that he enjoyed a similar technical advantage at times in terms of outright pace, but it was the operational excellence of the Vettel / Red Bull combination which won it for them, much in the same way that Hamilton / Bottas / Mercedes are winning right now. "Boring, isn't it?" Vettel said. "So boring. It's not just four races. It has been four years, more or less."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/48093928
The Ferrari has arguably been as quick or quicker than the Mercedes at Bahrain and (to a lesser extent) Baku, but Ferrari capitulate each time for whatever reason- reliability, driver error, strategic gaff...
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