F1 has rejected Andretti's entry bid

F1 has rejected Andretti's entry bid

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entropy

5,497 posts

205 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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Surprised Nick Chester is also working for them. Alpine takeover imminent? They just need to rope-in Alan Permane from Haas to bring the band back together.

Sandpit Steve

10,490 posts

76 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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Forester1965 said:
As you rightly understand, the convicted bank worker, teacher, lawyer, health worker etc would not be allowed back into a regulated profession where they're responsible for others' health, safety or prosperity. Yet here we have someone ordering racing drivers to crash on live circuits in order to defraud the sport and is welcomed back with open arms.
Indeed, they’d have been “struck off” for life.

(I work as an IT professional, and am currently campaigning for a similar regulated system to be introduced for us following the Post Office debacle. I want to see the senior IT “professionals” involved there to be “struck off”, and find it impossible to get a job that isn’t answering the helpdesk phones or fixing the printers)

It’s one thing to be a poacher turned gamekeeper - but then to leave the gamekeepers and go back to being a poacher again?

thegreenhell

15,863 posts

221 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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Sandpit Steve said:
It’s one thing to be a poacher turned gamekeeper - but then to leave the gamekeepers and go back to being a poacher again?
It's not unprecedented in F1. A number of engineers have gone from teams to the governing body and back to teams in recent years.

Sandpit Steve

10,490 posts

76 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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thegreenhell said:
Sandpit Steve said:
It’s one thing to be a poacher turned gamekeeper - but then to leave the gamekeepers and go back to being a poacher again?
It's not unprecedented in F1. A number of engineers have gone from teams to the governing body and back to teams in recent years.
How many of those doing so, had previously been banned for cheating?

thegreenhell

15,863 posts

221 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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Sandpit Steve said:
How many of those doing so, had previously been banned for cheating?
Does it matter? Symonds has been back working in F1 for well over a decade now without issue since his ban, so why is it such a big thing again now?

Nova Gyna

1,278 posts

28 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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Forester1965 said:
He's Alonso's manager. That's fair enough.
Agree to disagree then.

AFAIC, the guy's a snake and shouldn't be anywhere near an F1 paddock. Hopefully Alonso's retirement will eventually see him off, If the Grim Reaper doesn't get to him first.

FourWheelDrift

88,790 posts

286 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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Nova Gyna said:
Indeed. I caught sight of Briatore slithering through the paddock, posing for selfies after the race too.

Lifetime bans, rules are rules, etc.
Yes, rules are rules and a French court ruled his ban was wrong and overturned it in 2010, only 2 years after the FIA banned him. And after a settlement both Briatore and Symonds could work in any FIA series from 2011 and F1 from 2013.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-briatore-rea...


Siao

922 posts

42 months

Thursday 23rd May
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FourWheelDrift said:
Nova Gyna said:
Indeed. I caught sight of Briatore slithering through the paddock, posing for selfies after the race too.

Lifetime bans, rules are rules, etc.
Yes, rules are rules and a French court ruled his ban was wrong and overturned it in 2010, only 2 years after the FIA banned him. And after a settlement both Briatore and Symonds could work in any FIA series from 2011 and F1 from 2013.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-briatore-rea...
From that link:

"Considering that the judgment of 5 January 2010 concerned only the form and not the substance of the WMSC's decision of 21 September 2009, and that the undertakings and renunciation of all claims expressed by Mr Flavio Briatore and Mr Pat Symonds are in line with what the WMSC is seeking, the FIA President has considered that it is in the best interests of the FIA not to allow the perpetuation of these legal disputes, which have received a great deal of media coverage and which, regardless of the outcome, are very prejudicial to the image of the FIA and of motor sport, and thus to accept this settlement solution, thereby putting an end to this affair."

Pursuing justice is bad for the image, letting the culprits off is good for the image. The FIA logic...

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Sandpit Steve

10,490 posts

76 months

Thursday 23rd May
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Siao said:
From that link:

"Considering that the judgment of 5 January 2010 concerned only the form and not the substance of the WMSC's decision of 21 September 2009, and that the undertakings and renunciation of all claims expressed by Mr Flavio Briatore and Mr Pat Symonds are in line with what the WMSC is seeking, the FIA President has considered that it is in the best interests of the FIA not to allow the perpetuation of these legal disputes, which have received a great deal of media coverage and which, regardless of the outcome, are very prejudicial to the image of the FIA and of motor sport, and thus to accept this settlement solution, thereby putting an end to this affair."

Pursuing justice is bad for the image, letting the culprits off is good for the image. The FIA logic...

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It has been forever thus.

skwdenyer

16,796 posts

242 months

Thursday 23rd May
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Siao said:
From that link:

"Considering that the judgment of 5 January 2010 concerned only the form and not the substance of the WMSC's decision of 21 September 2009, and that the undertakings and renunciation of all claims expressed by Mr Flavio Briatore and Mr Pat Symonds are in line with what the WMSC is seeking, the FIA President has considered that it is in the best interests of the FIA not to allow the perpetuation of these legal disputes, which have received a great deal of media coverage and which, regardless of the outcome, are very prejudicial to the image of the FIA and of motor sport, and thus to accept this settlement solution, thereby putting an end to this affair."

Pursuing justice is bad for the image, letting the culprits off is good for the image. The FIA logic...

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Pursuing “justice” when an independent tribunal has already ruled that to be unlawful is indeed a bad look.

Nothing wrong with the FIA’s logic there IMHO.

Siao

922 posts

42 months

Friday 24th May
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skwdenyer said:
Siao said:
From that link:

"Considering that the judgment of 5 January 2010 concerned only the form and not the substance of the WMSC's decision of 21 September 2009, and that the undertakings and renunciation of all claims expressed by Mr Flavio Briatore and Mr Pat Symonds are in line with what the WMSC is seeking, the FIA President has considered that it is in the best interests of the FIA not to allow the perpetuation of these legal disputes, which have received a great deal of media coverage and which, regardless of the outcome, are very prejudicial to the image of the FIA and of motor sport, and thus to accept this settlement solution, thereby putting an end to this affair."

Pursuing justice is bad for the image, letting the culprits off is good for the image. The FIA logic...

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Pursuing “justice” when an independent tribunal has already ruled that to be unlawful is indeed a bad look.

Nothing wrong with the FIA’s logic there IMHO.
I guess when you put it that way. I would like to know why they were let off by the court, based on "irregularities in the process".

skwdenyer

16,796 posts

242 months

Friday 24th May
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Siao said:
skwdenyer said:
Siao said:
From that link:

"Considering that the judgment of 5 January 2010 concerned only the form and not the substance of the WMSC's decision of 21 September 2009, and that the undertakings and renunciation of all claims expressed by Mr Flavio Briatore and Mr Pat Symonds are in line with what the WMSC is seeking, the FIA President has considered that it is in the best interests of the FIA not to allow the perpetuation of these legal disputes, which have received a great deal of media coverage and which, regardless of the outcome, are very prejudicial to the image of the FIA and of motor sport, and thus to accept this settlement solution, thereby putting an end to this affair."

Pursuing justice is bad for the image, letting the culprits off is good for the image. The FIA logic...

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Pursuing “justice” when an independent tribunal has already ruled that to be unlawful is indeed a bad look.

Nothing wrong with the FIA’s logic there IMHO.
I guess when you put it that way. I would like to know why they were let off by the court, based on "irregularities in the process".
Well under Mosley’s watch an entirely new and ludicrous penalty of £100m fine was meted out to McLaren. The FIA has form in operating a more kangaroo style of justice. Perhaps the appeal tribunal read the actual statutes and found the FIA had simply ignored them?

coppice

8,699 posts

146 months

Saturday 25th May
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Reputedly ,due to the bad blood between he and Ron Dennis. Mosley said 'it's $10m for cheating and $90M for being a c....t '.Classy huh ? Read anything about Mosley and his toxic pal Ecclestone and the whole thing was all just a great game.

asfault

12,431 posts

181 months

Saturday 25th May
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entropy said:
Surprised Nick Chester is also working for them. Alpine takeover imminent? They just need to rope-in Alan Permane from Haas to bring the band back together.
I don't want a takeover I want an 11th team and 22 drivers.

tele_lover

364 posts

17 months

Monday 27th May
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Sandpit Steve said:
(I work as an IT professional, and am currently campaigning for a similar regulated system to be introduced for us following the Post Office debacle. I want to see the senior IT “professionals” involved there to be “struck off”, and find it impossible to get a job that isn’t answering the helpdesk phones or fixing the printers)
Do you have a website to follow?

tele_lover

364 posts

17 months

Monday 27th May
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asfault said:
entropy said:
Surprised Nick Chester is also working for them. Alpine takeover imminent? They just need to rope-in Alan Permane from Haas to bring the band back together.
I don't want a takeover I want an 11th team and 22 drivers.
Ditto. We want 11 teams, not musical chairs.

skwdenyer

16,796 posts

242 months

Monday 27th May
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tele_lover said:
Sandpit Steve said:
(I work as an IT professional, and am currently campaigning for a similar regulated system to be introduced for us following the Post Office debacle. I want to see the senior IT “professionals” involved there to be “struck off”, and find it impossible to get a job that isn’t answering the helpdesk phones or fixing the printers)
Do you have a website to follow?
The Worshipful Company of Information Technologists might have some useful high-level contacts for the introduction of such a scheme.

Siao

922 posts

42 months

Tuesday 28th May
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skwdenyer said:
Siao said:
skwdenyer said:
Siao said:
From that link:

"Considering that the judgment of 5 January 2010 concerned only the form and not the substance of the WMSC's decision of 21 September 2009, and that the undertakings and renunciation of all claims expressed by Mr Flavio Briatore and Mr Pat Symonds are in line with what the WMSC is seeking, the FIA President has considered that it is in the best interests of the FIA not to allow the perpetuation of these legal disputes, which have received a great deal of media coverage and which, regardless of the outcome, are very prejudicial to the image of the FIA and of motor sport, and thus to accept this settlement solution, thereby putting an end to this affair."

Pursuing justice is bad for the image, letting the culprits off is good for the image. The FIA logic...

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Pursuing “justice” when an independent tribunal has already ruled that to be unlawful is indeed a bad look.

Nothing wrong with the FIA’s logic there IMHO.
I guess when you put it that way. I would like to know why they were let off by the court, based on "irregularities in the process".
Well under Mosley’s watch an entirely new and ludicrous penalty of £100m fine was meted out to McLaren. The FIA has form in operating a more kangaroo style of justice. Perhaps the appeal tribunal read the actual statutes and found the FIA had simply ignored them?
$100m, not £. Which at the time was about £50m I believe.

I think Ron being a prick was primarily a reason for that fine!

coppice

8,699 posts

146 months

Tuesday 28th May
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See my Saturday post above on Ronzo's plight !

Siao

922 posts

42 months

Tuesday 28th May
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coppice said:
See my Saturday post above on Ronzo's plight !
Yeah, I think I've read it before. Not sure how true it is if I'm honest, then again it wouldn't surprise me!