Are Red bull cheating?
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Anyway....
Back on topic, if RB are cheating we probably wouldn't find out for a while until someone writes a book - unless another team raises an objection. It's a huge drop in performance if the TD was the cause of the Singapore issues, and as can happen was possibly an outlier, after all RB don't have a great record there.
With regard to the recent TD over flexible (yet appearing rigid) parts - so who was it aimed at then?
Back on topic, if RB are cheating we probably wouldn't find out for a while until someone writes a book - unless another team raises an objection. It's a huge drop in performance if the TD was the cause of the Singapore issues, and as can happen was possibly an outlier, after all RB don't have a great record there.
With regard to the recent TD over flexible (yet appearing rigid) parts - so who was it aimed at then?
500TORQUES said:
The name of the constructor is registered with the championship each year. That name changes often, based on the major sponsor. The entrant who is awarded the constructors championship is the entity that wins the championship.
This is not a difficult concept for you to understand. The engine is an important part of the package, but there is no official championship status for it, you are reading marketing material.
100% agree that there is no such thing as an engine championship and that is clearly stated in the Sporting Regulations.This is not a difficult concept for you to understand. The engine is an important part of the package, but there is no official championship status for it, you are reading marketing material.
FIA Sporting Regulation Article 6.3 said:
If the make of the chassis is not the same as that of the engine, the title will be awarded to the former which shall always precede the latter in the name of the car.
However, there is (or certainly used to be) a rule that constructor championship points are awarded to the team and engine combination rather than solely to the team. I'm unsure if this is still the case and it is completely academic as the hybrid engines are too complex to consider a mid-season change.Some examples from the past:
In 1983 Williams finished in 4th (Williams-Ford) and 11th (Williams-Honda) in the constructors championship as they raced for most of the season with a DFV before entering the final race of the season with a Honda. Similarly Lotus finished in 8th (Lotus-Renault) and 12th (Lotus-Ford). McLaren finished 5th as McLaren-Ford but replaced the DFV with their new TAG turbo engine in the final races. However, they failed to score any points in the turbo car so only had one place in the WCC standings.
This was one of the reasons McLaren opted to continue the 1993 season with the Ford HB engine rather than swap to the Lamborghini V12 engine they tested in the MP4/8B for the final 2 races. McLaren won both races with the Ford, scored 24 points in total and overtook Benetton to claim 2nd place in the WCC. If they had changed engine and finished both races 1-2 then McLaren would have finished in both 3rd and 4th place in the WCC.
deadslow said:
GCH said:
500TORQUES said:
PhilAsia said:
If there is an engine championship then surely that requires a "Wheels Championship"... I don't think I need to explain.
At least we know who wins the tyre championship.
Dashnine said:
Anyway....
Back on topic, if RB are cheating we probably wouldn't find out for a while until someone writes a book - unless another team raises an objection. It's a huge drop in performance if the TD was the cause of the Singapore issues, and as can happen was possibly an outlier, after all RB don't have a great record there.
With regard to the recent TD over flexible (yet appearing rigid) parts - so who was it aimed at then?
Aston Martin have gone off the boil.....Back on topic, if RB are cheating we probably wouldn't find out for a while until someone writes a book - unless another team raises an objection. It's a huge drop in performance if the TD was the cause of the Singapore issues, and as can happen was possibly an outlier, after all RB don't have a great record there.
With regard to the recent TD over flexible (yet appearing rigid) parts - so who was it aimed at then?
bolidemichael said:
With respect to the championship chat, presumably a driver could win a championship having driven for more than one team during a season, as the individual accrues the points?
Off the top of my head I can't think of an example in the modern era, but in 1966 John Surtees came close with second place in the driver's championship with points (and wins) earned with both Ferrari and Cooper.Russell gained points with 2 teams in 2021, so it looks like it could still happen.
the-norseman said:
bolidemichael said:
With respect to the championship chat, presumably a driver could win a championship having driven for more than one team during a season, as the individual accrues the points?
Yeh they can. I recall many years ago talking to someone who was involved in F1 and basically admitted all the teams cheat in some way or another, it is just finding it, proving it and legally challenging it. The ones that really make a difference are worth challenging, the ones nobody really cares about are because they all do it.
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