The Official 2017 Austrian Grand Prix Thread **Spoilers**
Discussion
ELUSIVEJIM said:
vonuber said:
Bottas is only 15pts behind and has had a dnf.
Yes Bottas seems to be improving of late.It was bound to take him a few races to get use to the Mercedes especially when this years car is not as perfect.
37chevy said:
It used to be the same but now the top yellow can vary by a few hundreds...suprising how much it can throw you off.
Bottas got real lucky with his start. My point is though while he is moving before the reds go out, he didn't jump the start because like in drag racing your wheels can be rolling before the green and still not jump.
I think that's the point isn't it? Bottas can't have simply had a blinding start as he's moving while the lights are still on and there isn't a fixed time between all lights on and them going out so it isn't anticipation of a set sequence.... He was very lucky... and in being lucky brought Lewis luck too.Bottas got real lucky with his start. My point is though while he is moving before the reds go out, he didn't jump the start because like in drag racing your wheels can be rolling before the green and still not jump.
Hungrymc said:
I think that's the point isn't it? Bottas can't have simply had a blinding start as he's moving while the lights are still on and there isn't a fixed time between all lights on and them going out so it isn't anticipation of a set sequence.... He was very lucky... and in being lucky brought Lewis luck too.
Yup very lucky indeed. More sheer dumb luck than good judgment!Don't know what tolerances the FIA give the drivers but he must have been right on the edge
carl_w said:
I'm no fan of any particular driver but I would like to see Bo77as do well. Partially because he has a proper clasically-styled helmet livery, not a load of airbrushed crap or so full of sponsor logos that you can't see the design.
That's as good a reason as any and better than some! 
VladD said:
The FiA allow 0.200 of a second. Bottas was recorded at 0.201. Almost perfection.
like I said.....sheer dumb luck!
its not possible to react that quickly, so always a lot of luck that comes into play.
usually when im racing you aim for 0.02-0.06 reaction...its a pretty happy place to be. with a 0.001 its luck rather than good judgment especially with a staggered start sequence
suffolk009 said:
CoolHands said:
Why hasn't one of the teams got a camera that looks at the lights, when they go out relays a beep to the drivers ear. Their brain would react quicker to the beep than the sight.
I'd be amazed if it hasn't been considered.There was a story a couple of years ago about teams having launch control that could detect a small electrical signal change in the induction loop buried in the track below the grid spot when the start light was changing, and used this as a trigger for the launch control.
37chevy said:
VladD said:
The FiA allow 0.200 of a second. Bottas was recorded at 0.201. Almost perfection.
like I said.....sheer dumb luck!
its not possible to react that quickly, so always a lot of luck that comes into play.
usually when im racing you aim for 0.02-0.06 reaction...its a pretty happy place to be. with a 0.001 its luck rather than good judgment especially with a staggered start sequence
Not sure how the Merc clutch system works, but looked to me that Bottas was playing with the bite point & 'bouncing' off it, hence the movement of his tyres (both forwards & backwards) & just got lucky that the lights went out just as he was rocking forwards ...effectively super quick reaction time & a tiny rolling start.
37chevy said:
usually when im racing you aim for 0.02-0.06 reaction...its a pretty happy place to be. with a 0.001 its luck rather than good judgment especially with a staggered start sequence
Vocal Minority said:
Not bad, 17 hours from when it was first posted. 
sandman77 said:
But those figures you are quoting aren't your reaction times. You are anticipating the sequence, not reacting to an event. As impressive as your starts may be, they are of no significance here.
I know that. I'm trying to make the point that to get those reaction times my car has to be moving before the green light comes on. I usually hit the throttle on the second yellow, so that when the green comes on my tyres break the beam as they are rotating 0.04 seconds after the green.Bottas has done the same here, he is moving before the red lights go out but because of the circumference of his tyre it won't have broken the beam until 0.001 seconds after...which is way too close for good judgment, just sheer dumb luck!
angrymoby said:
Not sure how the Merc clutch system works, but looked to me that Bottas was playing with the bite point & 'bouncing' off it, hence the movement of his tyres (both forwards & backwards) & just got lucky that the lights went out just as he was rocking forwards ...effectively super quick reaction time & a tiny rolling start.
That's possible, a tiny rolling start (within the defined limits I assume) would make a big launch difference.Dunc.
Dr Z said:
Allyc85 said:
skeggysteve said:
0.280 on my first go 
Now try this for auditory reaction test:
http://cognitivefun.net/test/16
I improved by a tenth of a second.
VladD said:
NRS said:
I think Vettel will likely win this season unless Mercedes find some big improvement. He will gain a lot of extra points over the season by Ferrari coming up with ways for him to pass Kimi. Mercedes will probably not favour one driver over the other, and even if they do it will only be in places they would not lose any points which is likely to not be that often. Combined with the one or two races Hamilton generally has through a season where he is a bit "off" then with Vettel's consistency I suspect it will be enough to let Vettel win.
I think Lewis will win it this year. The loose headrest cost him good points last race and the gearbox change probably cost him the win this weekend. If luck evens itself out, Lewis should win it. I thought the same last year though.I'm going to be bold and predict that Lewis will be leading the WDC after three more races. Someone needs to quote that to ensure that I look a total pratt when the time comes.
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