The Official 2018 Singapore Grand Prix Thread **SPOILERS**
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sparta6 said:
angrymoby said:
& if you can't observe flags at full pace, whether blue, yellow, black or red ...then frankly, you shouldn't be racing in karts, let alone F1
Are you speaking from personal experience ?There are plenty of current F1 drivers who don't see blue flags and/or don't act upon them, while they are busy in the zone and in battle.
sparta6 said:
Are you speaking from personal experience ?
about as much as you are, i'd imaginesparta6 said:
There are plenty of current F1 drivers who don't see blue flags and/or don't act upon them, while they are busy in the zone and in battle.
& yet they seem perfectly capable of seeing & reacting to yellow/ double yellow flags, even mid battle ...strange thatI'd give most drivers the benefit of the doubt but this one concerns Grosjean whose vision appears to be selective.
Singapore is a very busy circuit where I imagine your eye moves from apex to apex with very few opportunities to look in the mirrors, at the steering wheel etc. The flash of Blue should be quite distinct but perhaps being a night race brightly illuminated by artificial light it isn't as easy as naturally lit circuits.
Moreover the regulations are such that by the time the blue flags were brought out for Grosjean and Sirotkin, they had already been impeding Hamilton for at least a lap, probably three? The flags aren't brought out until the chasing car is practically on top of the back marker.
Perfect storm of factors IMO, I agree with the action taken.
Singapore is a very busy circuit where I imagine your eye moves from apex to apex with very few opportunities to look in the mirrors, at the steering wheel etc. The flash of Blue should be quite distinct but perhaps being a night race brightly illuminated by artificial light it isn't as easy as naturally lit circuits.
Moreover the regulations are such that by the time the blue flags were brought out for Grosjean and Sirotkin, they had already been impeding Hamilton for at least a lap, probably three? The flags aren't brought out until the chasing car is practically on top of the back marker.
Perfect storm of factors IMO, I agree with the action taken.
angrymoby said:
sparta6 said:
Are you speaking from personal experience ?
about as much as you are, i'd imagineIf you were two or three abreast approaching corners and technical sections it wasn't always guaranteed.
HustleRussell said:
I'd give most drivers the benefit of the doubt but this one concerns Grosjean whose vision appears to be selective.
Singapore is a very busy circuit where I imagine your eye moves from apex to apex with very few opportunities to look in the mirrors, at the steering wheel etc. The flash of Blue should be quite distinct but perhaps being a night race brightly illuminated by artificial light it isn't as easy as naturally lit circuits.
Moreover the regulations are such that by the time the blue flags were brought out for Grosjean and Sirotkin, they had already been impeding Hamilton for at least a lap, probably three? The flags aren't brought out until the chasing car is practically on top of the back marker.
Perfect storm of factors IMO, I agree with the action taken.
100% agree with this. It was a little worse than a standard type of blue flag where the leading car coming through is a little disadvantaged. And then Grosjean was far too opportunistic (in my opinion) and tried to use the pressure and the slight confusion of the blue flag to make his move and really held the leader up.Singapore is a very busy circuit where I imagine your eye moves from apex to apex with very few opportunities to look in the mirrors, at the steering wheel etc. The flash of Blue should be quite distinct but perhaps being a night race brightly illuminated by artificial light it isn't as easy as naturally lit circuits.
Moreover the regulations are such that by the time the blue flags were brought out for Grosjean and Sirotkin, they had already been impeding Hamilton for at least a lap, probably three? The flags aren't brought out until the chasing car is practically on top of the back marker.
Perfect storm of factors IMO, I agree with the action taken.
That poor driving / behaviour from Grosjean has really enflamed this whole debate... That was the problem, not blue flags themselves. If there is a visibility issue, that should be discussed and solved in driver / safety briefings etc.
sparta6 said:
We had blue flags in the Ferrari Challenge, you would notice them but it was always contingent on the impact of happenings around you at that precise moment.
If you were two or three abreast approaching corners and technical sections it wasn't always guaranteed.
niiiiice ...but aren't blues advisory only for the Ferrari Challenge?If you were two or three abreast approaching corners and technical sections it wasn't always guaranteed.
& point still stands, you should be aware of ANY flags at any time, red mist or not
Edited by angrymoby on Monday 24th September 18:17
angrymoby said:
niiiiice ...but aren't blues advisory only for the Ferrari Challenge?
& point still stands, you should be aware of ANY flags at any time, red mist or not
Racing drivers don't have the comfort of an armchair while in the heat of battle, and boxers sometimes deliver a low blow, unintentionally ofcourse.& point still stands, you should be aware of ANY flags at any time, red mist or not
Edited by angrymoby on Monday 24th September 18:17
Try it sometime.
sparta6 said:
Racing drivers don't have the comfort of an armchair while in the heat of battle, and boxers sometimes deliver a low blow, unintentionally ofcourse.
Try it sometime.
too poor for Ferrari ChallengeTry it sometime.
too poor & useless for F1
& too poor/ usless/ old/ fat for TKM for Rotax anymore ...so in my comfy armchair ill stay
eye sight is still pretty good though & never missed a flag iirc (well, never penalised for missing/ ignoring them
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