The Official Abu Dhabi Grand Prix Thread **SPOILERS**

The Official Abu Dhabi Grand Prix Thread **SPOILERS**

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Vaud

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Monday 28th October 2013
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OK, a nice short gap to the next race...

Fri 01 November 2013
Practice 1 09:00 - 10:30
Practice 2 13:00 - 14:30

Sat 02 November 2013
Practice 3 10:00 - 11:00

Qualifying 13:00
Sun 03 November 2013
Race 13:00

Highlights only on the BBC. Quali Sat 5:10-6:15pm, Race Sun 4:30-6pm

Vaud

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Monday 28th October 2013
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RZ1 said:
I hope Webber turns up, got the feeling after the last race he might quit early. He seems pretty fed up
That was rumored, and now the WCC is wrapped up there would be no risk in putting DR into the car for a few races to bed in?

Vaud

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Monday 28th October 2013
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Quali:
1 Vettel
2 Webber
3 Rosberg

Race:
1 Vettel
2 Grosjean
3 Webber


Vaud

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Monday 28th October 2013
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Steamer said:
Do people really think Webber won't 'turn up'?

Isnt Redbull playing a big part in his next career step? I'm sure his connections and obligations with Redbull wont simply stop as of yesterday.
Could always be done by mutual agreement. They will want DR to get as much RB team time as possible, these things can be amicable.

Vaud

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Monday 28th October 2013
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Steamer said:
But in doing that would it not expose RB to huge potential 'egg on face' if it all goes wrong (mind you, what else can go wrong with their second car that hasnt already happened to Mark!?).

If it all goes up in smoke, or a pile of bits for DR, in full public view, even before the new season starts that would be a massive phycological for him and his side of the garage.
Doesn't matter. Can all be written off as "we are investing in DR and the car is new to him" - WDC and WCC is sewn up - there is much less to lose now than at race 1. The car will be different, but he would be more at ease with race operations, RB expectations, etc.

If I were TP, I'd do it, much as I like Mark.

Vaud

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Friday 1st November 2013
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johnfm said:
Has Kimi turned up yet?
Well as he set the 6th fastest time in FP1, probably, yes.... wink

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Saturday 2nd November 2013
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suffolk009 said:
Kimi's back pay has to put a big downer on anyone thinking of investing in Lotus F1.

"Great chaps, so what are you going to do with my £100m?"
"Well, we owe £14m of it to that guy who drives for Ferrari."
Why do you think that? It's a known cost and risk throughout due diligence, not a surprise risk/unexpected payment, will already be factored into the valuation.

Vaud

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Sunday 3rd November 2013
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Crafty_ said:
Exactly, BTCC is just a contrived clubmans series. Lets not pretend its anything else.
A pale shadow of it's former self...

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Sunday 3rd November 2013
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RYH64E said:
F1 or BTCC?
Put it this way, I used to follow both. I still follow F1. For various reasons, I personally think BTCC and WRC peaked in the 80s and early 90s. F1 less so, I'm loving the recent years, and I'm relatively non-tribal in who I follow.

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Sunday 3rd November 2013
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I enjoyed the race, some good battles. I'm worried for Button. Perez was solid. Rosberg strong, and not Hamiltons finest race. Massa hampered by some strategy calls but great racecraft - no loss of fire there.

Dominant and remarkable by Vettel - utterly remarkable and at times 2 seconds a lap quicker - a Vettel and RedBull truly unleashed without regard for the title? Even Mark was polite and in a little awe...

My takeaway from recent races:

McLaren - drop Perez or, dare I say it, Button - and hire Hulkenburg and nurture him for 3-5 years.
Ferrari - you hired the wrong guy, see above.
Lotus - keep Grosjean, hire Massa assuming Hulk goes to McLaren wink
Williams - hire Massa if above does not pan out
Sauber - hire Bottas in place of Hulk.

HTH wink

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Sunday 3rd November 2013
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MG CHRIS said:
I admit btcc isn't perfect the support series could do with more cars and the btcc adjusting the boost and not telling the public is frustrating but the right guy won and we had a mega end to the season. Just hope something changes next year for f1 but if it continues like this sorry but not bothering with it any more.
Hardly a fair comparison, though is it? One is a country series, the other a global series. It's like saying you local football team were cheaper and more fun to watch than forking out for a ticket to see Chelsea. It might be true, but they weren't the same standard of player or operating at the same level.

MotoGP vs F1 is a fairer comparison, and I'd agree that the spectacle of F1 falls short there.

But then MotoGP isn't exactly a long race in terms of racing time per £ as a spectator, etc...

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Sunday 3rd November 2013
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MG CHRIS said:
I could spend all night arguing this and that but at the end you still will hate the btcc and I wont change my mind so bye bye.
You are seriously comparing a country series with a world series?

Extending your argument, head to Rye House and watch the racing there.

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Monday 4th November 2013
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LiamM45 said:
2. Due to their drivers being inexperienced, can they develop the car on these tests?
Yes. And not all are inexperienced...

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Thursday 7th November 2013
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simonpeter said:
Manual gearboxes, Ahh lovely, as Hewland adds used to say it`s what your right hand is for! I remember when John Barnard Designed the 1989 Ferrari with the first auto shift system, thinking oh god that will be overtaking cut by half.
I think a manual gearbox with a device that prevented over revving on downshift - it would prevent gear selection (with the penalty being time to reengeage back up the box)

Could be fun. Could be rubbish. Would certainly throw in an added driver skill.

Providing we could do it without increasing engine failures and therefore costs?

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Thursday 7th November 2013
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Durzel said:
They already have paddles, and there's no auto or semi-auto gear selection, so it's manual already.

Adding something that forces them to take one hand off the wheel doesn't strike me as a particularly clever suggestion.

Hopefully the new KERS (twice the boost) will add some variety
It isn't manual, it's flick a paddle. Manual requires clutch, throttle and gearbox selection control.

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Thursday 7th November 2013
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007 VXR said:
But its not Auto ?
It's a semi automatic with no penalty (time or engine) for mis-shifting.

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Thursday 7th November 2013
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007 VXR said:
You know its 2013 not 1964 ? wink
hehe
Oh bugger.

There would be room though for a technology that put more control and skill back in the hands of the driver without a penalty of engine detonation... A level of purity in driver - car... a fun added variable no more or less artificial than DRS.

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Thursday 7th November 2013
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007 VXR said:
What i would Reeealy like to see in F1 is no restrictions on tech/aero/power/engine, now that would be fun smile
To some extent, but I think it would also increase the gap from the back to the front.

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Thursday 7th November 2013
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RichB said:
What would you rather have, some cars racing or a parade of racing cars unable to overtake albeit close together?
I've seen plenty of overtaking in recent seasons.

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Thursday 7th November 2013
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RichB said:
Fair enough guys... and here we disagree again. KERS, DRS Comedy tyres, yes you've seen cars passing one another. You've not really seen motors racing.
I have, I just accept it for the formula that it is, and enjoy it for what it is. I have stopped comparing eras, but tweaks could be made.