'You bend it, you mend it' - Piper sues Hales
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Seems David Piper is suing Mark Hales for blowing the engine on his 917...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/9808987/Y...
... is there more to this than meets the eye?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/9808987/Y...
... is there more to this than meets the eye?
Podie said:
If an engine blows, does can it over-rev as it lets go? (I have no idea)
Not without an increase in throttle or a clumsy downshift over-speeding the engine through the drivetrain. A gearbox issue, however (missed gear, jumped out of gear etc) would suddenly unload the engine and it would rapidly speed up even if the throttle position remained constant.What a pair of clowns! Spending money on lawyers will only increase the cost dramatically. It's a classic case that they should pay half each just to get rid of the thing. But I guess no-one's keen to shell out £20k for a short day out.
However, the real question is whether Piper can prove a full "you bend it, you mend it" agreement and that the £2,000 deposit wasn't the maximum recoverable.
However, the real question is whether Piper can prove a full "you bend it, you mend it" agreement and that the £2,000 deposit wasn't the maximum recoverable.
HustleRussell said:
Podie said:
If an engine blows, does can it over-rev as it lets go? (I have no idea)
Not without an increase in throttle or a clumsy downshift over-speeding the engine through the drivetrain. A gearbox issue, however (missed gear, jumped out of gear etc) would suddenly unload the engine and it would rapidly speed up even if the throttle position remained constant.We've had a clutch pack failure in a lenco lead to a massive over rev as the loaded engine is the free to spin.
Imagine working hard to undo a bolt with a spanner, then it suddenly lets go.. That energy has to go somewhere!
RicksAlfas said:
As an aside what happens in historic racing where it's often a guest driver racing (and pranging) someone else's very expensive car?
That's exactly the scenario 'bend it, mend it' was invented for. Certainly I wouldn't consider lending my car to anyone who couldn't afford to either insure it or fix it, and I would never consider lending a car to anyone with whom I'd need more than a 'gentleman's agreement' with. Mine is only a cheap car but the logic still applies.ETA: It's always a little more complicated around mechanical failure though, because the argument will always exist- was the part 'due' a failure, was the car ill-prepared? Or was the failure caused by careless driving? As Ozzy Osmond said, you'd hope that in this instance they could reach a compromise, based on when the engine was last rebuilt- at the end of the day, it's a highly tuned competition engine and it has a finite life between rebuilds, there is a risk every time it is run.
Edited by HustleRussell on Friday 18th January 12:32
Edited by HustleRussell on Friday 18th January 12:37
HustleRussell said:
RicksAlfas said:
As an aside what happens in historic racing where it's often a guest driver racing (and pranging) someone else's very expensive car?
That's exactly the scenario 'bend it, mend it' was invented for. Certainly I wouldn't consider lending my car to anyone who couldn't afford to either insure it or fix it, and I would never consider lending a car to anyone with whom I'd need more than a 'gentleman's agreement' with. Mine is only a cheap car but the logic still applies.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff