Vectra 2.0 turbo vs mondeo st155 ?
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sunnygym said:
Sten J said:
Not sure I get the comparison, one is petrol and one is diesel..
It's out of these two that I want to buy as a family car but I don't know which one to go for. The Mondeo TDCi drives well, decent economy, reliability issues though.. I think the injectors are one of the common problems.
Typical 14 year olds claiming a mondeo beats a vectra, because they watched top gear once.
I've had 4 Vectras and one Mondeo. In the Vx i've had two 1.8 petrols, one 3.0 v6 diesel (regret selling it more than anything else) and one 2.2 petrol.
From Ford i had the Mondeo st220.
The Mondeo broke at every opportunity, and was quite simply (with the exception of the Focus), the most uncomfortable car i've ever driven. The power was fun (i hear the diesel is just as quick as the petrol to some extent) but i couldnt tolerate all the issues it had and how s
t the ride was.
Iirc, the clutch on the mondeo can go early (along with usual dmf problems) and i believe it's a fking mountain of a job to do either.
Like someone said, drive them both, but for me, it would be the vectra every time. The only thing for the Mondeo is that it looks a lot better, even more so in blue.
I've had 4 Vectras and one Mondeo. In the Vx i've had two 1.8 petrols, one 3.0 v6 diesel (regret selling it more than anything else) and one 2.2 petrol.
From Ford i had the Mondeo st220.
The Mondeo broke at every opportunity, and was quite simply (with the exception of the Focus), the most uncomfortable car i've ever driven. The power was fun (i hear the diesel is just as quick as the petrol to some extent) but i couldnt tolerate all the issues it had and how s
t the ride was.Iirc, the clutch on the mondeo can go early (along with usual dmf problems) and i believe it's a f
king mountain of a job to do either.Like someone said, drive them both, but for me, it would be the vectra every time. The only thing for the Mondeo is that it looks a lot better, even more so in blue.
Friend of mine has run 2 ST155 estates and loves them. My Mum had a Vectra 2.0 (n/a) was great on motorways and never had any issues, but it was horrid through twisties and personally i didn't like the slabby dash...but then saying that, to my eyes that shape of mundaneo is really starting to look dated, and if anything the 2.0t SRI vectra looks better, its better stanced and the big wheels help make it look more modern.
I would buy neither though there are better choices, why are you limiting your choice? any reason in particular?
I would buy neither though there are better choices, why are you limiting your choice? any reason in particular?
being a ex vauxhall tech I wouldnt touch a vectra if you paid me, not exactly nice on the eye inside or out, not very reliable lost count of how many repeated CIM failures and loads of electrical faults we seen, good engine though................ but thats because its the saab turbo engine. The mondeo is a nice looker but unsure on the reliability side, what about a saab 93 2.0 turbo aero ?
scorchio said:
being a ex vauxhall tech I wouldnt touch a vectra if you paid me, not exactly nice on the eye inside or out, not very reliable lost count of how many repeated CIM failures and loads of electrical faults we seen, good engine though................ but thats because its the saab turbo engine. The mondeo is a nice looker but unsure on the reliability side, what about a saab 93 2.0 turbo aero ?
Wikipedia said:
The Ecotec Family II is a DOHC 4-valve design with an aluminum block and head (L850 for 86 mm bore applications, and L880 for 88 mm bore), designed for displacements from 1.8 to 2.4 L. It was developed by an international team of engineers and technicians from Opel's International Technical Development Center in Rüsselsheim, Germany, GM Powertrain in Pontiac, Michigan, and Saab in Trollhättan, Sweden. Much of the development work on this project was carried out by Lotus Engineering, Hethel, United Kingdom. The engine uses aluminum pistons and cast iron cylinder liners. Vibration is reduced with twin balance shafts.
big_boz said:
I would buy neither though there are better choices, why are you limiting your choice? any reason in particular?
Anything else I like BMW 3 series/ Audi a4/a6 usually has to many miles on the clock or is lot older. Also needs to be four door, sporty, big boot for pram and not feel like I've given up on my youth ( only 29) ha also £6k is my max budget ArsE92 said:
scorchio said:
being a ex vauxhall tech I wouldnt touch a vectra if you paid me, not exactly nice on the eye inside or out, not very reliable lost count of how many repeated CIM failures and loads of electrical faults we seen, good engine though................ but thats because its the saab turbo engine. The mondeo is a nice looker but unsure on the reliability side, what about a saab 93 2.0 turbo aero ?
Wikipedia said:
The Ecotec Family II is a DOHC 4-valve design with an aluminum block and head (L850 for 86 mm bore applications, and L880 for 88 mm bore), designed for displacements from 1.8 to 2.4 L. It was developed by an international team of engineers and technicians from Opel's International Technical Development Center in Rüsselsheim, Germany, GM Powertrain in Pontiac, Michigan, and Saab in Trollhättan, Sweden. Much of the development work on this project was carried out by Lotus Engineering, Hethel, United Kingdom. The engine uses aluminum pistons and cast iron cylinder liners. Vibration is reduced with twin balance shafts.
Out of the two it would be Vectra all day every day. As long as you can hack the indicators.
The ST TDCi is horrendous for reliability. Common issues are rear calipers, rear subframe bushes, rear anti roll bar links, exhaust systems, front drop links, front springs, front top mount & bearings, EGR valves, injectors, fuel pumps, fuel rails, DMF + Clutch, crank pulley and aux belt tensioners, boost pipes, heated seat pads, seat motors, door latches, glovebox handles, crash sensors, bonnet latches and keys... do i really need to continue? I genuinely would not own an ST TDCi if you paid me. Yes i work for a Ford dealer.
My Vectra C needed a CIM module, a rear spring and a speaker in the year I owned it. Other common issues are timing chains but i think the 2.0 avoids this - the rear trailing arm bushes fail. The steering isnt as good as the Mondeo but its still perfectly comfortable. Plus i feel it looks a bit classier. See if you can get a prefacelift without scroller buttons on the steering wheel, you get better spec this way - facelift models lost the rain sensor, auto dip mirror, centre rear headrest, rear air vents, centre cup holders, and the better centre display. And they're heavier so slower. If i recall the 2.0 is a 6 speed too.
The ST TDCi is horrendous for reliability. Common issues are rear calipers, rear subframe bushes, rear anti roll bar links, exhaust systems, front drop links, front springs, front top mount & bearings, EGR valves, injectors, fuel pumps, fuel rails, DMF + Clutch, crank pulley and aux belt tensioners, boost pipes, heated seat pads, seat motors, door latches, glovebox handles, crash sensors, bonnet latches and keys... do i really need to continue? I genuinely would not own an ST TDCi if you paid me. Yes i work for a Ford dealer.
My Vectra C needed a CIM module, a rear spring and a speaker in the year I owned it. Other common issues are timing chains but i think the 2.0 avoids this - the rear trailing arm bushes fail. The steering isnt as good as the Mondeo but its still perfectly comfortable. Plus i feel it looks a bit classier. See if you can get a prefacelift without scroller buttons on the steering wheel, you get better spec this way - facelift models lost the rain sensor, auto dip mirror, centre rear headrest, rear air vents, centre cup holders, and the better centre display. And they're heavier so slower. If i recall the 2.0 is a 6 speed too.
Liquid Tuna said:
ArsE92 said:
scorchio said:
being a ex vauxhall tech I wouldnt touch a vectra if you paid me, not exactly nice on the eye inside or out, not very reliable lost count of how many repeated CIM failures and loads of electrical faults we seen, good engine though................ but thats because its the saab turbo engine. The mondeo is a nice looker but unsure on the reliability side, what about a saab 93 2.0 turbo aero ?
Wikipedia said:
The Ecotec Family II is a DOHC 4-valve design with an aluminum block and head (L850 for 86 mm bore applications, and L880 for 88 mm bore), designed for displacements from 1.8 to 2.4 L. It was developed by an international team of engineers and technicians from Opel's International Technical Development Center in Rüsselsheim, Germany, GM Powertrain in Pontiac, Michigan, and Saab in Trollhättan, Sweden. Much of the development work on this project was carried out by Lotus Engineering, Hethel, United Kingdom. The engine uses aluminum pistons and cast iron cylinder liners. Vibration is reduced with twin balance shafts.
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