Latest Audi and BMW badging WTF?
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Could anybody explain how the new badging works? I sort of get the BMW effort with the higher output smaller engine being badged as the engine it replaced, is it is simple as that? The Audi makes no sense to me at all I'm afraid. Bigger number more power but that's as much as I can figure. Can't they just put the engine size on the back and make it an I or an S of an R or something?
https://www.carwow.co.uk/news/3742/what-do-audis-n...
it is the most confusing of all the new badging but BMW, MB and JLR are all up to it. I guess its to hide the fact that virtually everything is 2.0 4 pots or smaller these days so trying to get people to focus on power rather than size
it is the most confusing of all the new badging but BMW, MB and JLR are all up to it. I guess its to hide the fact that virtually everything is 2.0 4 pots or smaller these days so trying to get people to focus on power rather than size
I can understand linking model designation to power, Vauxhall started doing this years ago, and Caterham have used power to weight rati for decades. However, Audi’s system doesn’t seem to have any mathematical relationship between the designation and the power! That’s just odd.
For example:
25 is 80kW and under (up to 106hp)
30 is 81kW to 91kW (107hp to 127hp)
etc
Why?!
For example:
25 is 80kW and under (up to 106hp)
30 is 81kW to 91kW (107hp to 127hp)
etc
Why?!
RobM77 said:
For example:
25 is 80kW and under (up to 106hp)
30 is 81kW to 91kW (107hp to 127hp)
etc
Why?!
It's so people can have very ordinary engines but have a 30 badge, which 95% of people will think means it's 3 litre. I said on one of the other million threads about this that I bet there are people choosing Audis as company cars entirely because of the number on the back.25 is 80kW and under (up to 106hp)
30 is 81kW to 91kW (107hp to 127hp)
etc
Why?!
Sheepshanks said:
It's so people can have very ordinary engines but have a 30 badge, which 95% of people will think means it's 3 litre. I said on one of the other million threads about this that I bet there are people choosing Audis as company cars entirely because of the number on the back.
That's exactly why I ticked the "Powertrain debadge" option for my XE Some of the modern Jag nerds would recognise a 30T badge on an XE being a 2-litre, 300PS petrol, but explaining to everyone else that it isn't a 3-litre would get very old, very fast...
Far better to be able to surprise folks who assume because there's no badge it is from the economy end of the power range
RobM77 said:
I can understand linking model designation to power, Vauxhall started doing this years ago, and Caterham have used power to weight rati for decades. However, Audi’s system doesn’t seem to have any mathematical relationship between the designation and the power! That’s just odd.
For example:
25 is 80kW and under (up to 106hp)
30 is 81kW to 91kW (107hp to 127hp)
etc
Why?!
Perhaps it is the number of miles x10 they will do on a litre of oil ......For example:
25 is 80kW and under (up to 106hp)
30 is 81kW to 91kW (107hp to 127hp)
etc
Why?!
Sheepshanks said:
It's so people can have very ordinary engines but have a 30 badge, which 95% of people will think means it's 3 litre. I said on one of the other million threads about this that I bet there are people choosing Audis as company cars entirely because of the number on the back.
I let a rather attractive nurse in a S-line A3 out at a junction on Friday. I was very impressed that she had chosen a 3Ltr until I noticed the single exhaust pipe. A dead give-away as a 3ltr Audi would have at least 4 drain pipe sized exhaust trims. Notanotherturbo said:
Could anybody explain how the new badging works? I sort of get the BMW effort with the higher output smaller engine being badged as the engine it replaced, is it is simple as that?
The badge on the back of a BMW hasn't always been a direct reflection of the engine capacity, this isn't "new" news. EDLT said:
So it's a modern version of L, LX, GLX etc. badging? There must be a few photocopier salesmen having sleepless nights at the moment.
Nah - they just went to a dealer ( pre-Ebay Google Amazon) & bought the up-grade badge. I put a GLS badge on my base company Avenger once just to wind up my colleagues who had all been issued with the same model of car. (It might have been a GL on an L - 'twas a long time ago) None were bright enough to differentiate twixt the visual differences of the trim levels yet they all got agitated & envious. When I revealed my actions which of course they rightly considered immature they in turn looked silly for making so much fuss. Even my boss looked a tt because he got irritated as well being an awful car snob & so very proud to have been issued with a 2L Cortina De-Luxe & always anxious to maintain a substantial motoring gap between himself & his staff.
Unknown to them all I had already got a much better job lined up so couldn't care a toss about them or my image.
Hopefully I HAVE grown up since ..........hopefully !
Notanotherturbo said:
Wills2 said:
The badge on the back of a BMW hasn't always been a direct reflection of the engine capacity, this isn't "new" news.
It was for donkeys years except for the odd exception like the E28 525E. It's only in recent years this has changed, and to be fair it was always close Notanotherturbo said:
Wills2 said:
The badge on the back of a BMW hasn't always been a direct reflection of the engine capacity, this isn't "new" news.
It was for donkeys years except for the odd exception like the E28 525E. It's only in recent years this has changed, and to be fair it was always close I dont understand the Audi one other than the higher the number the higher the output, but 30, 40 or 50 makes no sense.
From some recent lease looking, I understand the Volvo system:
T4 - 2.0 4 cylinder turbo.
D4 - 2.0 4 cylinder turbo.
T5 - 2.0 4 cylinder turbo.
T6 - 2.0 4 cylinder turbo.
D5 - 2.0 4 cylinder turbo.
T8 - 2.0 4 cylinder turbo.
No doubt there more.....
From some recent lease looking, I understand the Volvo system:
T4 - 2.0 4 cylinder turbo.
D4 - 2.0 4 cylinder turbo.
T5 - 2.0 4 cylinder turbo.
T6 - 2.0 4 cylinder turbo.
D5 - 2.0 4 cylinder turbo.
T8 - 2.0 4 cylinder turbo.
No doubt there more.....
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