RE: New Honda Civic Type R first look | PH Footnote

RE: New Honda Civic Type R first look | PH Footnote

Wednesday 27th July 2022

New Honda Civic Type R first look | PH Footnote

Underwhelmed by the new CTR's mature looks? It's a completely different animal in the metal...


I’m in a baking pit garage at a grassroots Italian racetrack just outside of Milan to see a car I’m not allowed to drive. I don’t even know how much power it makes (although the internet suggests not a great deal more)because apparently it hasn't been homologated yet. But PH wasn't about to turn down the chance to get a firsthand peek at the car in question, the all-new Honda Civic Type R. After all, very few cars in 2022 are as hotly anticipated as the pretender to the front-drive hot hatch crown. 

A quick refresher: the new FL5 generation CTR was announced last week sporting a vastly more mature look than its predecessor in part to broaden its appeal to those who felt a bit self-conscious driving the old car. Yet it has still proved divisive, with some feeling it’s nowhere near as radical - in design at least - as a red-blooded Civic Type R should be. Now I’ve had a good look at the car and poked around at the interior, I can confirm that the new FL5 is considerably more impressive in the metal than perhaps it was in the original press shots. 

For starters, it’s noticeably wider than the standard Civic. Again, this is difficult to spot without a reference point, but there’s a noticeable step between the base of the headlights and the edge of the bodywork that emphasises the extra width. Vents behind the front wheels also do a great job of beefing up those front arches and, unlike those on the FK8, they’re functional, too. And that extends to the rest of the car. The brake ducts, grille, bonnet mesh and side vents are all there for a reason, which, I’d argue, is a better look than the sea of blocked-off plastic bits that littered the FK8. Moreover, Honda says it has used four times the amount of structural adhesive on the FL5 - so it should be stiffer, too. 

The front tyres, still mounted on dual axis strut suspension, are also 20mm wider than the old car at 265/30, while the rim size has shrunk to a more sensible (and, crucially, lighter) 19-inch diameter. Camber rigidity is said to have increased by 16 per cent. Plus, they’re now wrapped in stickier rubber with a set of Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tyres over old car’s regular PS4s. And, while I’m here, we should cover the brakes. You still get twin-disk Brembos like the FK8, but Honda says they’ve been reworked to offer a bit more stopping power – which you’ll need with the extra horses under the bonnet that Honda won’t tell us about. It did however suggest that a number of detailed changes have occurred under the bonnet, with the familiar 2.0-litre VTEC unit earning a lighter crankshaft and an increase in the number of turbine blades to help reduce inertia in the turbocharger. 

At the back,  the diffuser is vast with the now-signature trio of exhausts in the middle, only the FL5 has a larger centre exit with two smaller outlets either side (it’s the other way around on the FK8). Best of all, there’s a new thinner aluminium rear wing that replaces the old car’s plasticky one-piece spoiler. It does look more purposeful and is said to deliver 92kg of downforce at 124mph, although it’s a fixed wing so there's no way to change the angle of attack. 

Speaking of the setup, the FL5 is the first Civic Type R that allows you to create your own driver mode. Like pretty much every performance car to come out in the last five years or so, the new model lets you tweak the exhaust, engine and suspension all from the new and vastly improved infotainment system. You can activate the menu by holding up on the driver mode toggle, or you can switch between the usual presents plus an +R setting which, naturally, puts everything into its most hardcore setting. Admittedly, Hyundai’s N menu is a step above the CTR’s, which looks a little basic in comparison - but at least we now have the option to open up the exhausts without suffering an ultra-stiff ride.

Also, a note on the interior. It’s very red, just as a Type R should be. The red Alcantara seats are a lightly tweaked version of the FK8’s - Honda claims they are its 'most supportive seats ever' - and now come without the black centre stripes. The carpets? Red, as are the floor mats. No doubt they’ll be a nightmare to keep clean, but it’s worth it for the EK9 Civic Type R vibe the colour combo gives off. Alcantara covers the steering wheel, armrests and parts of the centre console, and it’s all topped off with a proper metal gear knob to access the six-speed manual ‘box. My absolute favourite feature, though, is a small plaque with the Civic Type R name and the car’s production number, mounted to the thin air vent strip that runs the width of the dash. It’s a small touch, sure, but it makes a series production car feel a bit more special than it ultimately is. 

Truthfully, the Civic Type R formula hasn’t changed all that much despite its new look. It’s still gunning to be the fastest front-drive hatchback on the planet, which Honda has backed up by nabbing the appropriate lap record at Suzuka from… the FK8 Type R Limited Edition. But it feels – at least, from a distance – like the incremental updates here and there will add up Let's just hope it's as encouraging to drive as it is to look at.


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sidesauce

Original Poster:

2,535 posts

220 months

Tuesday 26th July 2022
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It will be interesting to see how this model sells in comparison to the FK8.

heisthegaffer

3,465 posts

200 months

Tuesday 26th July 2022
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Not a great looker but I found the old one much, much better in the flesh.

Lovely, interesting interior. Nice blend of modern and retro.

ChrisCh86

876 posts

46 months

Tuesday 26th July 2022
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The more I see this, the more I like it.

No fake vents (just real ones!) and smaller wheels are both winners with me. I love the red interior too.

fantheman80

1,489 posts

51 months

Tuesday 26th July 2022
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completely agree with the article, dont get the bland comments!

Is 330 PS and 420nm as per a customer order in Japan. A modest bump, but in keeping with fk2 to fk8. Lots of rework on breathing, cooling and turbo (torque band coming in 100rpm later) so be interesting to see how the drive feels vs fk8.

Pastor Of Muppets

3,319 posts

64 months

Tuesday 26th July 2022
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Too many doors.

MrGeoff

665 posts

174 months

Tuesday 26th July 2022
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The cars coming out of Japan at the moment are just so much better resolved than the rest of the market. That said, Asian cars in general are coming out looking a lot better than German offerings, of course this is subjective. The point about the styling being a little bland, it is worth mentioning the humble beginnings of the EK9 based on a granny shopping cart. It was simple yet such an awesome machine. Genuinely interested in this car, it looks great, can do the chores and excite when taken for a spirited drive.

ducnick

1,835 posts

245 months

Tuesday 26th July 2022
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I was not a fan of the last gen as my 17th birthday is a distant memory and I have never purchased a max power magazine or ram raided halfords.
This new one is far more appealing to anyone over the age of 25. Looks like a practical fast hot hatch without being comically over styled. I really like the slightly retro interior. They pulled off a similarly neat trick with their electric super mini using a retro wooden dash didn’t they? If I was in the market for this class of car I would be torn between this and a gr Yaris. The Germans wouldn’t get a look in.

GR86

591 posts

98 months

Tuesday 26th July 2022
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Looks great, all the photos on the release were too fake / edited to get a good look at the car. It looked much better in the Honda video on the road.

I am glad it's a big five door car as you can get the family in and actually use it. To me this is the new Evo/Impreza but with decent running costs.

Well done to Honda for building this, they could have easily given up and not bothered with the pressure to go electric.

macky17

2,217 posts

191 months

Tuesday 26th July 2022
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Pastor Of Muppets said:
Too many doors.
Perhaps they could fit an extra large sunroof and forget having doors altogether rolleyes

Seriously, a hatch this size would look silly with 3.

TypeRTim

724 posts

96 months

Tuesday 26th July 2022
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Honda Reveal FK8
Car Guys: Too Halfords, Too Garish, Too Extreme, Ugly, Needs to be more restrained/German

Honda reveal the FL5
Car Guys: Not Extreme enough, too restrained, boring, too German

Honda just can't win...

rampageturke

2,622 posts

164 months

Tuesday 26th July 2022
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TypeRTim said:
Honda Reveal FK8
Car Guys: Too Halfords, Too Garish, Too Extreme, Ugly, Needs to be more restrained/German

Honda reveal the FL5
Car Guys: Not Extreme enough, too restrained, boring, too German

Honda just can't win...
Too many doors, can't fit my 5 german shepards, not brown, not a diesel estate, financing too high, price too high for holier than thou cash buyers, not 4wd, not a golf R, wheels too big, wheels too small

Edited by rampageturke on Tuesday 26th July 09:16

TGCOTF-dewey

5,446 posts

57 months

Tuesday 26th July 2022
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What's a twin disc brembo?

Vickers_VC10

6,759 posts

207 months

Tuesday 26th July 2022
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Captures all the simpler lines of earlier Type - Rs adds in a mix of the aggressive ones too and then makes neither work. It'll probably drive nice but I'm not keen on the look of this, the rear spoiler jarred in other pictures and does not look any better in these. It needs removing and a subtle lip or duck tail being put in its place.

spikyone

1,500 posts

102 months

Tuesday 26th July 2022
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ducnick said:
This new one is far more appealing to anyone over the age of 25.
I'm a reasonable amount over the age of 25, and can assure you that not all of us find bland designs like this appealing.

Couple of points on the article:

Article said:
For starters, it’s noticeably wider than the standard Civic. Again, this is difficult to spot without a reference point
In other words, it doesn't look special unless you park it next to the cooking version. That seems like a retrograde step; the FK8 CTR and cars like the i30N look special in isolation and are clearly sporting cars. This doesn't look special or sporting on its own. It looks like someone put an aftermarket rear wing on a bog standard Civic.

Article said:
The brake ducts, grille, bonnet mesh and side vents are all there for a reason, which, I’d argue, is a better look than the sea of blocked-off plastic bits that littered the FK8.
That almost all came from the base Civic on the FK8 though. I'm not commenting on whether it looked good or bad, but for the most part they weren't tacked on for the Type R.

spikyone

1,500 posts

102 months

Tuesday 26th July 2022
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TypeRTim said:
Honda Reveal FK8
Car Guys: Too Halfords, Too Garish, Too Extreme, Ugly, Needs to be more restrained/German

Honda reveal the FL5
Car Guys: Not Extreme enough, too restrained, boring, too German

Honda just can't win...
Or, just possibly, those were entirely different groups of people?

Gilhooligan

2,215 posts

146 months

Tuesday 26th July 2022
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Best looking CTR in years. Although would be interesting to see it without the big wing.

Portofino

4,350 posts

193 months

Tuesday 26th July 2022
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The lights give the rear rump shot a look like the original Jaguar XF.

Think this prob hits the middle ground between the full on time attack & the bland OAP hatch.

Will need to see in the flesh as it might be massive for a hatch, similar to the Jaguar XF….

J4CKO

41,863 posts

202 months

Tuesday 26th July 2022
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Looks alright, sort of Citroen C4 vibe somehow at the side, but one thing that stands out is that even through the pictures there is a look of it being very well made and high quality.

Wil5

20 posts

73 months

Tuesday 26th July 2022
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So far I think it looks great. It will be even better in the metal I feel which the article touches on. The previous cars also did. I appreciate the extreme styling of the FK2/8 and ultimately brilliant cars, but prefer the look this ones going for. I feel this one looks more complete particularly in the face and the wider arches complement it well surrounded with subtle touches. Just looks a more complete and a more rounded coherent shape especially in the official Honda video. Not completely sold on the wing yet but I'll reserve that for the real viewing. But you can only take so much out the official video and stills until you see one in real life I guess.

Pastor Of Muppets

3,319 posts

64 months

Tuesday 26th July 2022
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macky17 said:
Perhaps they could fit an extra large sunroof and forget having doors altogether rolleyes

Seriously, a hatch this size would look silly with 3.
Disregarding the facetious comment, I'm quite sure I'm not the only one that is saddened by the demise of the 3 door Type R / SiR / VTi Honda.