Saturday 24th February

All-new Ineos Fusilier revealed as electric 4x4

Lined up for its official launch later this year, Ineos's third model line gets two powertrains, both electrified

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Following the Grenadier 4x4 and Quartermaster pickup, Ineos has debuted its third model line - the Fusilier. As previously confirmed, this will be the Ineos that takes the brand into the electrified era: a range-extender will follow, but the Fusilier will launch with battery power alone. 

We’ll have to wait a little while for the exact spec of the electric powertrain, although it has been confirmed that Magna is once again involved in the development and the car will still be produced in Graz alongside its sister models. The Fusilier will be shorter and lower than a Grenadier, which will benefit those using it primarily on road; Ineos says it’s going to be built on a bespoke skateboard platform with aluminium doors and a steel underbody. ‘World-class’ ability both on and off road is promised. 

Information regarding the range extender is set to follow later in this year, though the engine will be a small petrol one rather than anything madder like Mazda’s rotary REX. Ineos says will ensure that the Fusilier ‘meets the broadest range of global consumer needs whilst pushing towards decarbonisation’. Interestingly, too, it has chosen the announcement of the Fusilier to remind everyone of its hydrogen FCEV Grenadier from Goodwood last year. Ineos believes that the tech is ready for production in the push for reduced carbon, ‘but the refuelling infrastructure needs to be in place before it is commercially viable’. It feels like we’ll all be waiting a while for widespread hydrogen refuelling; pursuing an EV seems like a more sensible course of action.

Sir Jim Ratcliffe said: “The Fusilier is a great looking vehicle, and the two powertrain options provide a real-world reduction in carbon emissions without compromise to the off-road capability or the on-road performance. We’re excited to bring our electric 4x4 to market but we are beginning to understand the clear limitations of battery electric in certain situations. We believe the addition of a range extender electric to our line-up will offer our customers a very low emission drive without the range anxiety drivers of electric vehicles experience today.” When Ineos confirmed an EV last April, production was slated to begin in 2026 - stay tuned!

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[Macboy]

First they got the tracing paper out for the original Defender and now they've used a second sheet for the G-wagen. Ratcliffe certainly has an eye for iconic design (not creating it, just replicating it).

[Quhet]

Macboy said:

First they got the tracing paper out for the original Defender and now they've used a second sheet for the G-wagen. Ratcliffe certainly has an eye for iconic design (not creating it, just replicating it).

Cross between the G Wagen and Pajero to my eye

[ducnick]

The first ineos car was a loss leader to get a factory built and some market experience. This is the big one…. Build a car that looks like the ever fashionable TikTok G wagon. Sell it at a small profit, sit back, knowledgeable that it is powered by one of the waste products of your factories…. Let it gain momentum building more refuelling station for the ever growing numbers of hydrogen fueled vehicles. Hey Presto, your waste gas problem solved in one Master stroke. If only they could create a car powered by the CO2 they produce.
It’s a bit like imagining being in the yr 1850 and having a whacking great plant making petrol that you can’t give away, then producing the motor tricycle and selling it at cost price to everyone with a horse.

Ford popularised the petrol driven motorcar. Today their shares are worth 12.13 USD
Exxon are one of many companies that fueled the Ford motor car (and all the others), today they are 103 USD per share…..

Edited by ducnick on Friday 23 February 15:26

[sosidge]

So an Ineos Freelander then?

Will probably sell quite well as a retro EV. Although you have to question how big the market for EV-only SUVs is. Only business users are buying them, and they want Teslas.

[POIDH]

[quote]We’re excited to bring our electric 4x4 to market but we are beginning to understand the clear limitations of battery electric in certain situations. We believe the addition of a range extender electric to our line-up will offer our customers a very low emission drive without the range anxiety drivers of electric vehicles experience today.”
[/quote]

So a heavy, un-aerodynamic box with fat, draggy tyres is sh*t on electric use, and we will introduce a hybrid of sorts to make it go further in the city?

[DonkeyApple]

The renders look quite good.

It's already an immensely heavy vehicle and loaded up with batteries this is surely going to break the scales and when it comes to punching through the air, towing anything, heading off into the blue yonder it's simply not going to work.

It's purely an urban shopping car. Which is fine but it's likely to be quite an expensive way to migrate from shop to shop and entering the domain where it has no USP other than 'warrior'?

[stuckmojo]

I like it a lot (I know I'm in the minority here)

[m62tu]

I'm seeing the UAZ 469 in its side profile. The door profile and green paint mimic it. On another note, I think a 2.2 multijet diesel or equivalent powertrain would suit it better.

[LayZ]

Given the really bad efficiency of the ICE models this is going to need an enormous battery to get acceptable range, which will make it even heavier and more expensive.

[Lefty]

m62tu said:

I'm seeing the UAZ 469 in its side profile. The door profile and green paint mimic it. On another note, I think a 2.2 multijet diesel or equivalent powertrain would suit it better.

Definitely.

Not my thing but good luck to them.

[hu8742]

But will it still have that horrendous, jutting front bumper?

[Andy83n]

Ineos and an EV.

Getting the popcorn out for this thread.

[Roger Irrelevant]

That looks good actually. I always thought the Grenadier looked a bit weird and not in a good way - it's an uncanny valley Defender basically - but this is its own car and all the better for it. I like the idea of a REx version too. Will watch with interest.

Edited by Roger Irrelevant on Friday 23 February 16:40

[Sulphur Man]

Surely Mercedes will be consulting their legal team on that front-end.

It's so derivative, bar the range-extender effort. It might take a few Evoque sales. Might.

[MrGeoff]

It looks pretty good but the range is going to be hampered by those chunky tires! Be a great city car though, fit in nicely with all those SUVs doing the school run.

[corcoran]

Still no.

[Neill-l9qpf]

Will be interesting to see what size this actually is, it looks like it might be quite compact in the renders, if they're going after the urban Evoque crowd then that could be a very interesting move.

[tr3a]

Ineos said:

We believe the addition of a range extender electric to our line-up will offer our customers a very low emission drive without the range anxiety drivers of electric vehicles experience today.

Trust marketers to fan the fire of irrational fears.

Thing is: most EV drivers of today, after a bit of experience with their vehicle, don't experience range anxiety at all. Range anxiety is mostly feared by those who don't have EV experience.

[Bill]

Andy83n said:

Ineos and an EV.

Getting the popcorn out for this thread.

I'm looking forward to the 2wd version.

[Silvanus]

Bill said:

Andy83n said:

Ineos and an EV.

Getting the popcorn out for this thread.

I'm looking forward to the 2wd version.

And one built in China