RE: Alfa Romeo 147 GTA | Spotted

RE: Alfa Romeo 147 GTA | Spotted

Wednesday 22nd May

Alfa Romeo 147 GTA | Spotted

The right colour, the right gearbox, the right options and - dare we say it - maybe the right price as well...


Over the past decade and a bit, we’ve all become familiar with iconic hot hatches of the 20th century soaring in value. It has sometimes felt like every month saw another auction record for an RS Turbo, GTI or Williams, cars that were bargain hot hatches for so long now apparently classic exotica. This became acceptable, because the 21st century still had their affordable heroes - but then they started creeping up…

We now live in a world of the £50k Focus RS Mk2 (not even an RS500), the £80k Clio V6 and the £25k Golf R32. There are not especially low mileage breadvan Type Rs at £15k, the same money being asked for Megane 230s, and a Lupo GTI on POA. The same thing, sadly enough, appears to be happening all over again. 

There are a good few reasons why the Alfa 147 GTA might have joined them. Sure, it was never the best thing in the world to drive, but that has never stopped a lot of the old, rubbish hot hatches being worth a fortune. The joy of nostalgia. It’s rare, fast, looks fantastic and is powered by one of the great combustion engines. This one has a manual gearbox, too, as well as that gorgeous Alfa Red paint. 

So it’s a very good spec - including the aftermarket, desirable fitment of the Q2 diff - with a sensible mileage (71k) and what appears to be lovely condition. Sunshine and space for the pictures always help, but the paint is lustrous and the engine bay clean as a whistle. The interior perhaps looks more like 20 years old, though that was never really a 147 strong point. Nothing a bit of leather feed can’t aid. 

And it’s £11,995. Even as far back as 2012, a really good, low-mileage one was £8k. For whatever reason, the 147 hasn’t soared, not like so many of its contemporaries have and which its mechanical spec suggested it might. Which is great news, of course, for those who want to experience one of Alfa's maddest moments on a reasonably regular basis. A 3.2-litre V6 was always a large engine to go in the front of a small family hatch; today, when McLaren and Ferrari hybrid supercars have sixes smaller than 3,000cc, it looks absolutely barmy. And brilliant. 

This GTA appears to have been in enthusiast care since 2005. The fact that the diff went in as early as 2009 was an encouraging sign, as are three cambelt changes in its life. A prospective buyer will have to keep a healthy kitty for front tyres, brakes and suspension bits (because there’s a whole lotta engine ahead of the steering wheel) but which classic V6 doesn’t need a bit of a TLC? While the mid-2000s may not feel all that long ago, there’s no doubt that the cars of that era can offer experiences no longer available in new metal. So the c-word is becoming more appropriate by the day. Handily, in the Alfa’s case, it seems like values aren’t yet accelerating with its classic status.


SPECIFICATION | ALFA ROMEO 147 GTA

Engine: 3,179cc V6
Transmission: 6-speed manual, front-wheel drive
Power (hp): 250@6,200rpm
Torque (lb ft): 221@4,800rpm
MPG: 23
CO2: 287g/km
Year registered: 2005
Recorded mileage: 71,000
Price new: £23,205
Yours for: £11,995

See the original advert here

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Antj

Original Poster:

1,055 posts

202 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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Its nice, but my mates got one of these, same spec, few more autodelta parts on it. 29k on the clock, was his late dads from new in 04. Stunning car, still feels pretty damn quick now

fantheman80

1,488 posts

51 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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Yep I have a place in my hot hatch all timers stable for you (virtual at the moment)

Lowered, spacers, job done. I saw a nice one getting a dover - Calais ferry at easter with the GT wheels (if your on here, that was gorgeous)

Always remember that BS TG episode when Hammond pretended he was hypnotised

Peppka

110 posts

192 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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It's worth it just for the engine, not until you have driven a Busso engined Alfa is your experience of cars complete.
I've had Busso engined GTV, GT and 156 gta, the last supercharged to 340 bhp with a Rotrex supercharger that made it somewhat of a Q car.

NGK210

3,072 posts

147 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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There’s a nasty corner of hell reserved for the Fiat Group bean-counter who said “no” to giving the GTA a Haldex 4WD setup.

As usual, PH’s advertorial is all puppy dog glass-half-full enthusiasm, but the reality is not so great – eg, serviced at 1-year-old / 11k, followed by a 3-year / 21k gap. Props to the dealer for outlining the history, mind.

Red6

399 posts

58 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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I still want one.

valiant

10,547 posts

162 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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That’s not a bad price at all for something a little bit special.

Can see it as a future classic and prices will only go one way.

mooseracer

1,960 posts

172 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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NGK210 said:
There’s a nasty corner of hell reserved for the Fiat Group bean-counter who said “no” to giving the GTA a Haldex 4WD setup.

As usual, PH’s advertorial is all puppy dog glass-half-full enthusiasm, but the reality is not so great – eg, serviced at 1-year-old / 11k, followed by a 3-year / 21k gap. Props to the dealer for outlining the history, mind.
Saw that, but given the care since I could live with it.

trevalvole

1,092 posts

35 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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NGK210 said:
There’s a nasty corner of hell reserved for the Fiat Group bean-counter who said “no” to giving the GTA a Haldex 4WD setup.
May be, but I went through some old Autocars from when this was new recently, and iirc it beat the Mk4 R32 to third place in a comparison test which doesn't seem to have hurt the R32's reputation or the prices asked for them.

Dombilano

1,192 posts

57 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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Why is its arse so high?

NGK210

3,072 posts

147 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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mooseracer said:
NGK210 said:
There’s a nasty corner of hell reserved for the Fiat Group bean-counter who said “no” to giving the GTA a Haldex 4WD setup.

As usual, PH’s advertorial is all puppy dog glass-half-full enthusiasm, but the reality is not so great – eg, serviced at 1-year-old / 11k, followed by a 3-year / 21k gap. Props to the dealer for outlining the history, mind.
Saw that, but given the care since I could live with it.
And from Oct 2017 to Sept 2022 – ie, 5 years – it never saw any fresh oil, albeit only 1900 miles were covered during that time.

History file needs scrutiny - were garage visits due to a need for repair and to save £s no servicing was done, or was it serviced while being repaired?

As it stands, dealer’s description is ambiguous, but in fairness they do offer PDFs of all bills pre-sale…

Edited by NGK210 on Wednesday 22 May 17:54

NGK210

3,072 posts

147 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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Dombilano said:
Why is its arse so high?
It was to transfer weight balance forward to aid traction when accelerating from standstill.
Unfortunately it was also an aid to comedy understeer when travelling faster than walking pace.

Water Fairy

5,558 posts

157 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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Needs the tan inserts for me

Justin-ow582

163 posts

107 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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NGK210 said:
There’s a nasty corner of hell reserved for the Fiat Group bean-counter who said “no” to giving the GTA a Haldex 4WD setup.

As usual, PH’s advertorial is all puppy dog glass-half-full enthusiasm, but the reality is not so great – eg, serviced at 1-year-old / 11k, followed by a 3-year / 21k gap. Props to the dealer for outlining the history, mind.
Why give it a Haldex system when FIAT group already had a couple of subtly different 4WD options to give it back then.

Yahonza

1,730 posts

32 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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So these are less than the sum or their parts and that engine doesn't make up for it?

montokpoint

11 posts

25 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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Yahonza said:
So these are less than the sum or their parts and that engine doesn't make up for it?
Engine definitely makes up for it, however most owners (including me) have fitted a Q2 or Quaife and uprated suspension/coilovers which solves most of the early criticism of how it left the factory. A few other changes, e.g. exhaust to really make it sing, make it quite a fab car to drive

Pic for attention smile


NGK210

3,072 posts

147 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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Justin-ow582 said:
NGK210 said:
There’s a nasty corner of hell reserved for the Fiat Group bean-counter who said “no” to giving the GTA a Haldex 4WD setup.
Why give it a Haldex system when FIAT group already had a couple of subtly different 4WD options to give it back then.
OK Captain Pedant, just for you, I’ll amend:

There’s a nasty corner of hell reserved for the Fiat Group bean-counter who said “no” to giving the GTA a Haldex 4WD setup.

NGK210

3,072 posts

147 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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montokpoint said:


lick

jimmytheone

1,414 posts

220 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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montokpoint said:
Engine definitely makes up for it, however most owners (including me) have fitted a Q2 or Quaife and uprated suspension/coilovers which solves most of the early criticism of how it left the factory. A few other changes, e.g. exhaust to really make it sing, make it quite a fab car to drive

Pic for attention smile

That looks brilliant cool

montokpoint

11 posts

25 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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fantheman80 said:
Yep I have a place in my hot hatch all timers stable for you (virtual at the moment)

Lowered, spacers, job done. I saw a nice one getting a dover - Calais ferry at easter with the GT wheels (if your on here, that was gorgeous)

Always remember that BS TG episode when Hammond pretended he was hypnotised
I think that might have been me, on my way to Bruxelles! Didn't enjoy the 3hr queue!

AKjr

416 posts

13 months

Wednesday 22nd May
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montokpoint said:
Engine definitely makes up for it, however most owners (including me) have fitted a Q2 or Quaife and uprated suspension/coilovers which solves most of the early criticism of how it left the factory. A few other changes, e.g. exhaust to really make it sing, make it quite a fab car to drive

Pic for attention smile

Bloody hell, that is lovely - props to you bow