Ringing kits for sale on ebay...No not on our watch!
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Sorry to hear about this sort of thing. The first thing I did was look for a Mini log book and VIN plates on eBay.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Sorry to hear about this sort of thing. The first thing I did was look for a Mini log book and VIN plates on eBay.
Edited by Liquid Knight on Friday 30th December 10:43
I don't have the email facility I just just search and sift through when I get some spare (I have a seriously boring job) time.
A lot of ringing kits are being sold as "memorabilia" these days knowing where to look often helps.
Many people list them without realizing it's unlawful and a polite message is enough for the item to be removed (I put them on here if they are unresponsive or unreceptive), some change their profile name, list and re-list the same reported items over again. These are the ones who know what they're doing, know the only purpose is to ring a stolen or writen off car and they're the ones who think they can get away with it. i forward these ones to the Police and to date don't know if they do anything about it.
A lot of ringing kits are being sold as "memorabilia" these days knowing where to look often helps.
Many people list them without realizing it's unlawful and a polite message is enough for the item to be removed (I put them on here if they are unresponsive or unreceptive), some change their profile name, list and re-list the same reported items over again. These are the ones who know what they're doing, know the only purpose is to ring a stolen or writen off car and they're the ones who think they can get away with it. i forward these ones to the Police and to date don't know if they do anything about it.
AndrewW-G said:
Liquid Knight said:
Many people list them without realizing it's unlawful
As only the sale / retention of the V5 following a car being dismantled is illegal, do you report listings where old chassis plates are being sold?AndrewW-G said:
Liquid Knight said:
AndrewW-G said:
Liquid Knight said:
Many people list them without realizing it's unlawful
As only the sale / retention of the V5 following a car being dismantled is illegal, do you report listings where old chassis plates are being sold?
Took a few seconds there and I genuinely thought you were interested in helping stop people cars getting stolen.
If you have obtained a V.I.N or Chassis plate and know the number plate (or find the number plate on the DVLA website)all you need is a V62 from the post office and £25 to get a log book from the DVLA (who are more interested in profit than anything else). With the log book in your name you can get number plates made and you have a complete ringing kit.
The sale of an identity (even just a V.I.N or chassis plate) to be used knowingly or not on a stolen vehicle makes you an accessory to the actual theft of the motor vehicle the identity has been transfered to. Ignorance is no defence.
In that case the vehicle would need to have an IVA/SVA test and they should be able to recognise it was not the same vehicle. It doesn't matter if the vehicle has been recorded as disposed of or not; if the identity is used on a stolen car they are still an accessory to the theft of that vehicle.
Edited by Liquid Knight on Friday 30th December 11:58
AndrewW-G said:
Liquid Knight said:
In that case the vehicle would need to have an IVA/SVA test and they should be able to recognise it was not the same vehicle.
And therefore the sale of that VIN is not illegal.If you buy a vehicle that has no identity (V.I.N plates and such lost due to extensive restoration for example), you can get a new one from your nearest DVLA office providing you can prove the vehicle is what it is. With manufacturer records and expert evidence from an owners club representetive the DVLA can issue a new V.I.N plate, log book and other identifying marks legitimately. So there's no need to ring the identity of a scrapped or other vehicle on to the one you have bought/restored.
People have done this before with classics. When Tax exemption stopped rolling forward in 1997 several 74 MGB's were ringed with the identity of pre-72 ones to make them more valuable. Quite a few are still on the roads with the owners unaware until they join an owners club and are spotted.
Liquid Knight said:
People have done this before with classics. When Tax exemption stopped rolling forward in 1997 several 74 MGB's were ringed with the identity of pre-72 ones to make them more valuable. Quite a few are still on the roads with the owners unaware until they join an owners club and are spotted.
Like this...http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
AndrewW-G said:
I've asked the DVLA to comment on the lagility of putting a car back on the road even though it's been logged on their sysyem with a "Notification of Destruction"
If it's the same car it wouldn't be a problem but another car with the identity of the scrapped car would be. Steffan said:
NHK244V said:
All this ebay scourering for ID sales and yet this very site alows it 
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3519639.htm
I'm amazed but then interfering old f
ks do tend to ignore what happens at home whilst conplaining about the folks next door 
The old girl a few doors down takes pics of the kids playing football and rings the police whilst her dog sts all over the housing estate grass, strange times.
Reportedhttp://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3519639.htm
I'm amazed but then interfering old f
ks do tend to ignore what happens at home whilst conplaining about the folks next door The old girl a few doors down takes pics of the kids playing football and rings the police whilst her dog s
ts all over the housing estate grass, strange times.
sim16v said:
What's the forum concensus on the whole world of rallying/racing, where numerous cars have had numerous body shells over numerous years?
"Back in the day" new factory shells were used and i.d.s were spread around a lot of cars, but today old/second hand cars/shells are used in the resurection of a number of cars.
The competition car debate was raised earlier as well as heritage shell and kit car builds. People interested in those would need to buy a whole donor vehicle because the percentage of parts required by the SVA/IVA/DVLA and MSA means they need more than just a set of VIN plates and a log book to get the car on the road or racetrack. "Back in the day" new factory shells were used and i.d.s were spread around a lot of cars, but today old/second hand cars/shells are used in the resurection of a number of cars.
Garlick said:
Despite the we do take this type of problem seriously, but we're not as swift out of hours.
I've removed it, but it can take a while to disappear. I'll keep an eye on it to make sure it goes.
You efforts are very much appreciated. I for one understand you are a much smaller operation and have less turn over than eBay. we do take this type of problem seriously, but we're not as swift out of hours. I've removed it, but it can take a while to disappear. I'll keep an eye on it to make sure it goes.
Good work.
Escort log books for sale...
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Classic SAAB two stroke.
I was reminded about this thread today and thought I'd have a look.
Classic SAAB two stroke.
I was reminded about this thread today and thought I'd have a look.
Triumph based Midges, Samino Spyders and such are rebodied original chassis rather than a kit car so don't require an IVA at all.
Older started and unfinished kit cars are more of a concern but with the donors log book as proof of age they can also bypass the new IVA as if I recall correctly only applies to new builds. They are also considered restored old kit cars rather than new builds as well. To the untrained or not very well trained eye how can you tell a 1980's Se7en from a new one? After all they all follow Chapmans or Haynes designs virtually anyway.
Older started and unfinished kit cars are more of a concern but with the donors log book as proof of age they can also bypass the new IVA as if I recall correctly only applies to new builds. They are also considered restored old kit cars rather than new builds as well. To the untrained or not very well trained eye how can you tell a 1980's Se7en from a new one? After all they all follow Chapmans or Haynes designs virtually anyway.
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