Cyclists without lights - something needs to be done
Discussion
Ares said:
cb1965 said:
Troll, liar, mentally ill and stupid. What a lovely bunch you PH cyclists are 
The real question is why you all get so defensive of things you claim never to do, but the answer to that is obvious of course.
Where have you been called mentally ill and stupid?The real question is why you all get so defensive of things you claim never to do, but the answer to that is obvious of course.
The others are obvious
Ares said:
cb1965 said:
Ares said:
cb1965 said:
Troll, liar, mentally ill and stupid. What a lovely bunch you PH cyclists are
The real question is why you all get so defensive of things you claim never to do, but the answer to that is obvious of course.
Where have you been called mentally ill and stupid?The real question is why you all get so defensive of things you claim never to do, but the answer to that is obvious of course.
The others are obvious
nickfrog said:
No point engaging with the OP as he is just an attention seeking agent provocateur with a persecution complex and other mental illnesses. Very Trump actually.
will_ said:
cb1965 said:
will_ said:
cb1965 said:
I do, however, think that, in London at least, there is a higher percentage of cyclists that do stupid things than drivers, but the reasons for that are obvious!
I've asked this before, and you flounced/avoided then, but I'll ask again to give you an opportunity to explain yourself; why does the percentage matter?Avoidance yet again of course.
I only called rabid anti-cyclists mouth breathing morons. Does that apply to you?
I saw a cyclist with no lights riding the wrong way down a one way street last night. He had 3 near misses in the 30 seconds I saw him. About an hour later I just about saw a grey MINI on a country lane with no lights on, no front numberplate and even the chrome trim was blacked out. Idiots can use 4 wheels or 2.
GOATever said:
Ares said:
In central London? With street lighting so bright it's permanent daylight?
Quite, you can see the roads in central London from space ( pretty much ) and I believe there’s a frequently overlooked stipulation about lights on vehicles in relation to street light spacing, which means that you don’t actually need lights in certain areas, if there’s sufficient street lighting.Anyway at least we've established lights are not needed after all as every street in London is lit up like the Singapore GP circuit, next time I'm there I shall be sure to turn mine off!
Divisive Poster No. 1 said:
cb1965 said:
These are the ultimate thread comments of the type that occur in all these cycling threads. No matter what cyclists do even it it's technically against the law it's always a non-issue, perhaps they'd like to extend the same courtesy to drivers when they go 10mph over a motorway limit... but no as then they'd lose the hypocrite argument which, as I said, ironically makes them hypocrites!
As usual you've misrepresented what people have said to suit your agenda. "They" haven't complained about people exceeding the motorway limit by 10mph. "They" have complained about your lot insisting that cyclists should obey the rules like "you" have to, whilst hypocritically overlooking that "you" don't obey the rules yourselves. But then you knew that didn't you? You keep accusing other people of being divisive but in reality it's you with your continual, inflammatory, statements about "your lot" and "them".Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 20th November 18:49
The rest of your post is untruths and drivel as usual.
will_ said:
cb1965 said:
Anyway at least we've established lights are not needed after all as every street in London is lit up like the Singapore GP circuit, next time I'm there I shall be sure to turn mine off!
I thought you were scared of London?heebeegeetee said:
cb1965 said:
heebeegeebee does exactly that every time as well you know.
I do absolutely nothing of the sort I’m the person who doesn’t complain, I simply point out to you and the haters that’s it hypocritical of you all to complain so much when you behave no differently.
Are you seriously saying I complain about others exceeding speed limits by 10mph? Christ, I don’t think I’ve ever done a journey without breaking speed limits in my life! I’ve just done it now, on my way to work, along with everybody else.
That said you didn't mention 10mph over on a motorway which you now imply is acceptable so fair enough.
As a corollary to that then can you supply a chart of how much faster than the speed limits and on which types of road and road conditions we 'drivers' may travel and still have the right to criticise the holier than thou beings that are cyclists?
Thanks in advance.
heebeegeetee said:
Incidentally, the points above about city street lighting, every night millions of cars are parked unlit on city streets, and I haven’t had trouble seeing them yet.
Good point and I would say that a) they tend to be stationary and b) they tend not to be in the middle of the road, but what's the point... the law about having lights on moving vehicles at night is obviously completely daft 
WinstonWolf said:
cb1965 said:
heebeegeetee said:
cb1965 said:
heebeegeebee does exactly that every time as well you know.
I do absolutely nothing of the sort I’m the person who doesn’t complain, I simply point out to you and the haters that’s it hypocritical of you all to complain so much when you behave no differently.
Are you seriously saying I complain about others exceeding speed limits by 10mph? Christ, I don’t think I’ve ever done a journey without breaking speed limits in my life! I’ve just done it now, on my way to work, along with everybody else.
That said you didn't mention 10mph over on a motorway which you now imply is acceptable so fair enough.
As a corollary to that then can you supply a chart of how much faster than the speed limits and on which types of road and road conditions we 'drivers' may travel and still have the right to criticise the holier than thou beings that are cyclists?
Thanks in advance.
For instance I have no issue with cyclists RLJ'ing where no one else is inconvenienced and there is no danger the same way I have no beef with a few mph over on the motorway, but , for instance, I do have issues with idiot drivers that speed past schools and cyclists RLJ'ing into traffic or pedestrians.
Heebeegeebee and others often use the hypocrisy argument of drivers complaining about cyclists so where does it start and end?
I drive a few mph over the limit when I deem it OK to do so, but I am still going to have an issue with the plethora of cyclists behaving like idiots in London, that doesn't make me a hypocrite in my book, but that seems to be the argument often trotted out on here.
Obviously it's all irrelevant though as far as this thread goes as we've established that lights at night aren't necessary, in London at least.
will_ said:
cb1965 said:
will_ said:
cb1965 said:
Anyway at least we've established lights are not needed after all as every street in London is lit up like the Singapore GP circuit, next time I'm there I shall be sure to turn mine off!
I thought you were scared of London?
As if.
I visit this thread every few days and it really makes me laugh.
The pro-cycling mob just come across as petty pedants trying to win an argument any way they can.
There is a superb image doing the rounds on social media regarding a "cycling starter starter pack". This thread is really reinforcing the image :-)
The pro-cycling mob just come across as petty pedants trying to win an argument any way they can.
There is a superb image doing the rounds on social media regarding a "cycling starter starter pack". This thread is really reinforcing the image :-)
will_ said:
cb1965 said:
There is not a single road user that doesn't break the law, what I am trying to find out is to what extent we are all allowed to break the law before it becomes hypocrisy to criticise some cyclists.
For a supposed genius you are a bit slow. The answer to your question is obviously that "to no extent" can a law-breaking motorist complain about a law-breaking cyclist without being a hypocrite. That is what it means.A better question (which you will avoid) is "what complaints can motorists raise about cyclists without being hypocritical"?
That's why these threads are so laughable. For motorists to complain about cyclists not obeying "the rules", or being "dangerous", is risible when it is motorists who routinely fail to obey the law and represent a risk to third parties many times greater than cyclists. That's not to mention the negative externalities of motorised transport compared to cycling.
There is a total lack of rationality and perspective. It is just mindless ranting.
I will assume not as cyclists don't do generalisations lol. So what I would like to know is exactly how law abiding we have to be to be as individuals to be allowed to complain. Is it a zero tolerance thing? If so seems a bit harsh as cyclists on here whinge all the time about close passes etc. yet clearly don't all behave. If not what are the PH cycling mafia's limits?
Also does this extend to other subjects e.g. burglary, shoplifting, vandalism or are they all off limits until we agree not to speed ever again?
slk 32 said:
anonymous said:
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Strangely enough I find the flashing lights are a lot easier to differentiate in the city when there is already a lot of background 'white noise' light pollutionwill_ said:
If a speeding driver complains about a cyclist not, for example, having lights because that cyclist has failed to "obey the law" then that too is hypocritical, not to mention irrational.
Is it irrational when cyclists complain about drivers not obeying the law when they routinely don't themselves or is that, as I suspect, different? Oh sorry, I forgot cyclists never break the law do they?
will_ said:
cb1965 said:
will_ said:
If a speeding driver complains about a cyclist not, for example, having lights because that cyclist has failed to "obey the law" then that too is hypocritical, not to mention irrational.
Is it irrational when cyclists complain about drivers not obeying the law when they routinely don't themselves or is that, as I suspect, different? Oh sorry, I forgot cyclists never break the law do they?
The vast majority of cycling threads on PH start with or involve law-breaking motorists complaining about law breaking cyclists. You have already admitted that this is hypocritical.
Now, third time - are you going to answer the question?
will_ said:
cb1965 said:
will_ said:
cb1965 said:
will_ said:
If a speeding driver complains about a cyclist not, for example, having lights because that cyclist has failed to "obey the law" then that too is hypocritical, not to mention irrational.
Is it irrational when cyclists complain about drivers not obeying the law when they routinely don't themselves or is that, as I suspect, different? Oh sorry, I forgot cyclists never break the law do they?
The vast majority of cycling threads on PH start with or involve law-breaking motorists complaining about law breaking cyclists. You have already admitted that this is hypocritical.
Now, third time - are you going to answer the question?
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