RE: Meet the 200mph Ford Mustang Shelby GT500
Discussion
bigdog3 said:
Changing my last main car reduced its annual fuel bill from £4830 to £2890 (saving almost £2000/year). I'm very fortunate in having access to a flexible lease scheme which accommodates car exchanges at no extra cost. Pity the poor motorist with a thirsty car which has poor residual value. Can't sell it for a reasonable price but can't afford to run it - another poverty trap 
Reality is grim - the world of Mustang GT500s is much more fun
Live a little.. Reality is grim - the world of Mustang GT500s is much more fun
uk_vette said:
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I very much think Ford are telling porkies in teh top speed department.
I seriosly don't think that the Mustang will crack the 200 mph
The Z1 'vette is still closer to the 200 mhp than the new 'stang will be.
vette
Me too but, as the Yanks, say, you can bet your ass they'll die trying to achieve it on the Bonneville Flats or some such place - they won't let it lie.I very much think Ford are telling porkies in teh top speed department.
I seriosly don't think that the Mustang will crack the 200 mph
The Z1 'vette is still closer to the 200 mhp than the new 'stang will be.
vette
My conscience is clear Beefmeister said:
Love this GT500 though. Given that the 2012 GT500 was a shade under $50,000 this shouldn't be much more expensive.
Which if you convert to £ is around £32,000. Makes the Nissan GT-R's bhp/£ seem a little high!
I'll have one in Kona Blue ('cos i love Kona bikes) please.
Edited by Beefmeister on Tuesday 15th November 13:25
KingNothing said:
It's not as simple as converting it over and saying it's around £32k, it's not. They aren't sold over here, and so demand a premium on top of them, looking at pistonheads and certain speciality mustang dealers, you're talking top end of £40k, into mid £50k for one. Still cheaper than a GT-R though, one could only dream of Ford coming round and saying "Aye we'll sell them in the UK, and at price of £32k", lol, if that would be the case, I'd get myself into so much debt so fast it'd make this recession look like nothing!
Exactly, £32k doesn't include VAT so you're talking £38k straight off the bat, plus shipping, plus dealer profit, plus SVA/IVA testing/mods ect....KingNothing said:
It's not as simple as converting it over and saying it's around £32k, it's not. They aren't sold over here, and so demand a premium on top of them, looking at pistonheads and certain speciality mustang dealers, you're talking top end of £40k, into mid £50k for one. Still cheaper than a GT-R though, one could only dream of Ford coming round and saying "Aye we'll sell them in the UK, and at price of £32k", lol, if that would be the case, I'd get myself into so much debt so fast it'd make this recession look like nothing!
Correct. Even doing it yourself, you'd pay shipping, 10% import duty and 20% VAT on everything and then you have the £1500 IVA problematic conversion as the electronics on these cars are no longer for amateurs.However, again, look at the slow depreciation and cheap servicing and cheap cost of parts and cheap VEL (still £210 a year for a 650hp car)it's still a better economic choice than your average BMW. That would change as an official import because, like the Monaro and VXR8, you would get faster depreciation based on market availability so what you gain you also lose (though even the latter are pretty good due to limited numbers).
It's not really for our benefit though. The Mustang restyle in 2010 wasn't entirely successful at the rear end and Ford's monopoly on the pony car market took an embarrassing bashing from the Camaro which comprehensively outsold it despite being dynamically inferior.
The ZL1 was GM's top hat to the GT500s baseball cap and Ford want it known that they are still the King Pin in the pony car jungle, not least because people tend to ignore the Camaro's weight disadvantage and look at the showroom numbers.
That's why the 5.0 GT will go up from a better power/weight ratioed 412hp to 425 to match the (heavier) Camaro.
The pony wars will continue which can possibly only be a good thing until and unless someone gets killed and we experience a massive backlash. I think that's why Ford and GM have both majored on the uprated suspension and brakes where in the past they wouldn't have bothered.
The ZL1 was GM's top hat to the GT500s baseball cap and Ford want it known that they are still the King Pin in the pony car jungle, not least because people tend to ignore the Camaro's weight disadvantage and look at the showroom numbers.
That's why the 5.0 GT will go up from a better power/weight ratioed 412hp to 425 to match the (heavier) Camaro.
The pony wars will continue which can possibly only be a good thing until and unless someone gets killed and we experience a massive backlash. I think that's why Ford and GM have both majored on the uprated suspension and brakes where in the past they wouldn't have bothered.
swerni said:
Dynamically inferior, but better in every other way
It's also much prettier
Is it better cheaper then? It's also much prettier
I think the two are fairly evenly pitched in the looks department now - I think the 2010-12 will forever be the ugly duckling.
I'm not sure a pony car should ever be pretty though?
Is the SW in your name short for Stevie Wonder?
(Stevie Wonder Each Retina Now Impaired).I think I still prefer the ZL1 but it would now come down to the driving experience. Still not planning to change my "classic" though.
To me this is the last swansong for the Mustang name before it becomes some sort of overpriced (over here anyway), softened B:ensored:dised global car in 2015 (should that actually happen), with all the crap that will go with it such as high tax, IRS, RHD, more expensive insurance, plumped and plucked to tempt badge snobs etc etc. After the 2014MY car has come and gone so will the proper Mustang
I still can’t get along with the rear end of the car though, it ha improved since the initial 2010 model but it still too “Jap” for me.
The main thing I dislike and always have with the Shelby GT500 is that they only do a 'Stick' shift car and no automatic, if they did an auto I could just about live with the back end if I ever had the money to buy it.
I still prefer the previous 05-09 model, if they'd have left it like that visually (maybe a few nips and tucks) and just done the underpinnings as they are now it would be 1000% more desirable (to me anyway).
Yes there will be issues with the headlights when bringing them over here. Until early next year they will pass an MOT (or longer if you have a sensible MOT man) but they won't get through a BIVA test without the (utterly pointless) washers and levelling system, you'd have to fit standard halogens for the BIVA and then put the HID system back in afterwards.
I still can’t get along with the rear end of the car though, it ha improved since the initial 2010 model but it still too “Jap” for me.
The main thing I dislike and always have with the Shelby GT500 is that they only do a 'Stick' shift car and no automatic, if they did an auto I could just about live with the back end if I ever had the money to buy it.
I still prefer the previous 05-09 model, if they'd have left it like that visually (maybe a few nips and tucks) and just done the underpinnings as they are now it would be 1000% more desirable (to me anyway).
Yes there will be issues with the headlights when bringing them over here. Until early next year they will pass an MOT (or longer if you have a sensible MOT man) but they won't get through a BIVA test without the (utterly pointless) washers and levelling system, you'd have to fit standard halogens for the BIVA and then put the HID system back in afterwards.
uk_vette said:
jellison said:
If the ZR1 with 638bhp can't quite do 200 how is this BOX.
Ford now making top notch engines to take it to Chevy.
I do prefer the way Chevy do it with the modern interpretation on pushrod tech though, why all those extra moving parts when you can do it with less
.Ford now making top notch engines to take it to Chevy.
I do prefer the way Chevy do it with the modern interpretation on pushrod tech though, why all those extra moving parts when you can do it with less
I very much think Ford are telling porkies in teh top speed department.
I seriosly don't think that the Mustang will crack the 200 mph
The Z1 'vette is still closer to the 200 mhp than the new 'stang will be.
vette
Had both Chevy and Ford silly power engines now. Like em both, mind both pushrods (one std, one VERy far from std (full race)).
jellison said:
Yvette is a proper harlot. Mustang is an everyman blue collar coupe (much more agricultural).
Had both Chevy and Ford silly power engines now. Like em both, mind both pushrods (one std, one VERy far from std (full race)).
Depends which Mustang.Had both Chevy and Ford silly power engines now. Like em both, mind both pushrods (one std, one VERy far from std (full race)).
I replaced the C5 Z06 with a 2005 Mustang GT albeit significantly modified in the power and suspension departments and there's not a lot in it...and the Mustang shifter is way less agricultural than the Vette and has better seats. Neither are particularly refined.
LuS1fer said:
KingNothing said:
It's not as simple as converting it over and saying it's around £32k, it's not. They aren't sold over here, and so demand a premium on top of them, looking at pistonheads and certain speciality mustang dealers, you're talking top end of £40k, into mid £50k for one. Still cheaper than a GT-R though, one could only dream of Ford coming round and saying "Aye we'll sell them in the UK, and at price of £32k", lol, if that would be the case, I'd get myself into so much debt so fast it'd make this recession look like nothing!
Correct. Even doing it yourself, you'd pay shipping, 10% import duty and 20% VAT on everything and then you have the £1500 IVA problematic conversion as the electronics on these cars are no longer for amateurs.However, again, look at the slow depreciation and cheap servicing and cheap cost of parts and cheap VEL (still £210 a year for a 650hp car)it's still a better economic choice than your average BMW. That would change as an official import because, like the Monaro and VXR8, you would get faster depreciation based on market availability so what you gain you also lose (though even the latter are pretty good due to limited numbers).
So anyway - US Prices...
Mustang GT500 - 650bhp for £32k
Nisssan GT-R - 530bhp for £57k
Moogle said:
LuS1fer said:
I think the 2010-12 will forever be the ugly duckling.
You continually think so, I'll continually disagree So regardless of the "novelty" argument of the new Camaro, there was a sea-change defection to GM at the relevant time. Obviously, your argument will still be that many still bought the Mustang so plenty still like it.
So shall we agree that the 2010-12 styling remains the most controversial or "marmite" of the various iterations.
fwaggie said:
bigdog3 said:
Fantastic machine but really that old adage still applies: Only in America. Dreaming was nice but now it's back to the 1600 diesel 
You don't really understand percentages do you?
If the oil companies charged 10p per litre, the tax + vat would be 15p for a total of 25ppl. Without the government changing a thing.
The government use a percentage, the oil companies set the price and hence set the amount of that price the government gets.
This dictates the price upstream oil segments (the drilling / production) companies can sell the oil they produce to the refineries for.
The refineries (the downstream segment of oil companies) buy the oil (at said market price), then add value (cracking) and sell on to distributors for the different products created, which include petrol and diesel. This is what you buy.
The major oil companies (BP, Shell, Esso etc) constitute <10% of world wide production. You need to look towards the National oil companies of Brazil, middle east, norway, russia to see who has most influence over the world wide production of oil and gas.
650hp in a coupe is hard to swallow. That is Mclaren F1 power in a mundane run of the mill coupe, albeit the flagship model.
Awesome car, 4 seats, RWD and available with manual, very very nice!
Hang ups on Fuel economy / mpg etc, I dont get. If you want power you pay for it at the pumps (and insurance, tax, bla bla bla).
If you want economy get that 1.4 diesel you have been lusting after.
In the grand scheme of things buying and driving a 600hp+ car today is far cheaper than at any point in history - FACT!!!!
Awesome car, 4 seats, RWD and available with manual, very very nice!
Hang ups on Fuel economy / mpg etc, I dont get. If you want power you pay for it at the pumps (and insurance, tax, bla bla bla).
If you want economy get that 1.4 diesel you have been lusting after.
In the grand scheme of things buying and driving a 600hp+ car today is far cheaper than at any point in history - FACT!!!!
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