Cars which aren't as bad as they're made out to be...
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Gareth!
FIAT Stilo. Take a look at any reviews and they are uniformly diabolical. And yet the reality is pretty much that they're as good as any comparable car of their age. Not only that, but the current Bravo is broadly based on the same platform, and that gets pretty good press. Bizarre.
I had a Stilo Multiwagon JTD and it was tremendous, only sold it because the wife needed an automatic.
I had a Stilo Multiwagon JTD and it was tremendous, only sold it because the wife needed an automatic.
Volvo360 said:
FIAT Stilo. Take a look at any reviews and they are uniformly diabolical. And yet the reality is pretty much that they're as good as any comparable car of their age. Not only that, but the current Bravo is broadly based on the same platform, and that gets pretty good press. Bizarre.
I had a Stilo Multiwagon JTD and it was tremendous, only sold it because the wife needed an automatic.
Very very true, I had one of those out here all last year and it was fantastic, that engine was very strong and coped much better than all the 1.6 d's I have had since. The only car to come close and (mainly because as standard its fitted with every bell and whistle) is the Kia Ceed as above, but still prefer the old Stilo for sheer function. I had a Stilo Multiwagon JTD and it was tremendous, only sold it because the wife needed an automatic.
Chicharito said:
The ZS was incredibly dated towards the end, though - being based on the 1992 Honda Domani, which was arguably a better car when sold as the Civic in the UK. I particularly liked the VTEC wagons.
Indeed, though the chassis was still somehow(magically!) up to scratch and they did a great job on facelifting the exterior. Shame the interior was muck and showed every one of those years. Also, and this might be a personal preference, but I prefer the v6 to the engine in the ek9 type r. Chicharito said:
As for the ZT... never really saw the appeal of the 75 on which it was based - and the facelift cars were cheaply made with incredibly poor panel fit.
What? Facelift cars weren't made any differently than pre-facelift, all the facelift did was change the front+rear bumper and the headlights.Chicharito said:
So, they're not particularly bad cars, but they're not as great as the blinkered fans would have us believe.
Definitely aren't great cars, but they're good cars in their own way. However, (and maybe this is an Irish thing), anything MGR is regarded as being a bucket of s
te that breaks down every two miles and couldn't possibly be an alright car :/kedaha said:
Chicharito said:
As for the ZT... never really saw the appeal of the 75 on which it was based - and the facelift cars were cheaply made with incredibly poor panel fit.
What? Facelift cars weren't made any differently than pre-facelift, all the facelift did was change the front+rear bumper and the headlights.The facelifted ZTs had corners cut such as less sound insulation and the roll bars where excluded which effected the handling, i believe. I'm sure there were more examples of poor build and cut corners too.
Morningside said:
v8will said:
Seems the old Rover 800 is getting some love.
My father had a 827 SLI saloon about 10 years ago, it was an early one, about 1988. It went much better than it's 177BHP suggested and apart from a little grot on the rear arches and the noisiest tappets I've ever heard ( a trait of the Honda V6) it was a great old boat.
Oil pump failure rendered it scrap at 160K and was replaced with an Audi A2 TDI, a car that I personally underappreciated at the time.
I had two 827 SLIs (is there any other 827 model?). 1st one was brilliant and I was daft to sell it. My father had a 827 SLI saloon about 10 years ago, it was an early one, about 1988. It went much better than it's 177BHP suggested and apart from a little grot on the rear arches and the noisiest tappets I've ever heard ( a trait of the Honda V6) it was a great old boat.
Oil pump failure rendered it scrap at 160K and was replaced with an Audi A2 TDI, a car that I personally underappreciated at the time.
Edited by Morningside on Sunday 27th November 21:54
I p-ex it for a Nissan 200sx
Lotus Elise S1! (Bear with me...!)
It's nowhere near as impractical as lots of people make out.
Yes, it's awkward to get out of, and yes, it's bloody noisy...
...but I've used mine as my everyday car for nearly two years, and I've never felt the need for anything bigger.
I can get my golf clubs in the boot (big surprise), with a new roof it genuinely doesn't leak (even bigger surprise!), the seats are the best I've sat in (out of hundreds of cars) and the heater is brilliant.
I do have to wear ear plugs on longer journeys, mind you...
It's nowhere near as impractical as lots of people make out.
Yes, it's awkward to get out of, and yes, it's bloody noisy...
...but I've used mine as my everyday car for nearly two years, and I've never felt the need for anything bigger.
I can get my golf clubs in the boot (big surprise), with a new roof it genuinely doesn't leak (even bigger surprise!), the seats are the best I've sat in (out of hundreds of cars) and the heater is brilliant.
I do have to wear ear plugs on longer journeys, mind you...
pthelazyjourno said:
Lotus Elise S1! (Bear with me...!)
It's nowhere near as impractical as lots of people make out.
Yes, it's awkward to get out of, and yes, it's bloody noisy...
...but I've used mine as my everyday car for nearly two years, and I've never felt the need for anything bigger.
I can get my golf clubs in the boot (big surprise), with a new roof it genuinely doesn't leak (even bigger surprise!), the seats are the best I've sat in (out of hundreds of cars) and the heater is brilliant.
I do have to wear ear plugs on longer journeys, mind you...
This was my shout a few pages ago aswel. Great cars & can be used on a daily basis (I did for 18 months & covered 38k) It's nowhere near as impractical as lots of people make out.
Yes, it's awkward to get out of, and yes, it's bloody noisy...
...but I've used mine as my everyday car for nearly two years, and I've never felt the need for anything bigger.
I can get my golf clubs in the boot (big surprise), with a new roof it genuinely doesn't leak (even bigger surprise!), the seats are the best I've sat in (out of hundreds of cars) and the heater is brilliant.
I do have to wear ear plugs on longer journeys, mind you...
I find the people who slate them, have never owned one!
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