RE: Gazoo shows 320hp GT 86

[bicycleshorts]

HighwayStar said:

Lol... All these automotive engineering experts... And how much would it costs with all the changes of to produce that way from the off? More forcussed no doubt but carbon prop, carbon roof, carbon panels amongst other things... Expensive!!! They'll be another set of posts saying you might as well buy a Cayman/Boxster or whatever. Is there a car out there already in that spec for £25k? Eh no... carbon is labour intensive and would just ramp up the cost.
Toyota set out to build a lightweight car with just enough power to have a little fun... So what it might get destroyed by a Megan Cup... What's the problem? As long as you are having fun...
Whatever manufactures make, it's not enough for some. Nissan GTR, £70k wtf for a Datsun. New Lambo, jeez it's not Lambo enough. Jag F-Type, it should be cheaper, it's the wrong name, they built the wrong car blah blah... And on we go. These threads are such comedies... A few talk sense and then get shot down by people pulling figures, prices out of thin air. Very entertaining.

I put a stainless steel exhaust on my MR2 NA and took out some of the sound deadening and spare wheel. It's made a massive difference, it's nearly feels as fast as my old Impreza and it cost me £80 (for the exhaust) . That's a car which weighs about the same as the Toyobaru and has 25bhp less.

Worth remembering that so far only the EVO review has been massively negative (they had an auto-box), even they originally gave the car 5 stars, Harris loved it as did Top Gear as did most videos I've watched on YouTube. JonathanLegard's review (on page 4) is the first review I've read which has genuinely worried me. But certainly not enough to not want to try one when it comes out.

Edited by bicycleshorts on Thursday 17th May 17:29

[0a]

I read the evo report on the subaru version and was disappointed to see they didn't like it. It came across like they would have been better off turbocharging the base model and making it fwd to save costs. A shame as i love the looks of the car and the concept. Perhaps it will change when I drive one though I'm not that bothered now to be honest.

[rhinochopig]

HighwayStar said:

rhinochopig said:

Orginal seats will be 20-30kg each. Wheels will be heavy. Fitting carbon buckets will save 30-40kg + forged wheels will save another 10-15kg. If they've used plastic for the bonnet or boot - that'll save another 5-10kg. Lightweight battery - 2-5kg. And that's the easy stuff.

Add in delete sound deadening, ally belled discs, carbon prop, carbon roof, carbon panels, binned electric windows, thinner glass, etc. It's not hard.

Lol... All these automotive engineering experts... And how much would it costs with all the changes of to produce that way from the off? More forcussed no doubt but carbon prop, carbon roof, carbon panels amongst other things... Expensive!!! They'll be another set of posts saying you might as well buy a Cayman/Boxster or whatever. Is there a car out there already in that spec for £25k? Eh no... carbon is labour intensive and would just ramp up the cost.
Toyota set out to build a lightweight car with just enough power to have a little fun... So what it might get destroyed by a Megan Cup... What's the problem? As long as you are having fun...
Whatever manufactures make, it's not enough for some. Nissan GTR, £70k wtf for a Datsun. New Lambo, jeez it's not Lambo enough. Jag F-Type, it should be cheaper, it's the wrong name, they built the wrong car blah blah... And on we go. These threads are such comedies... A few talk sense and then get shot down by people pulling figures, prices out of thin air. Very entertaining.

Lol...All the people who can't read properly. My response was to the question how can it weigh the same with compound charging and a cage. It's a concept car so cost is irrelevant.

WRT to weight reduction the cloth is clearly cut to meet the target price. But I wouldn't be surprised that the car featured - Toyota's version of the GT3 - could sell at 50k and sell in decent, relatively speaking, numbers.

[anything fast]

now thats what it should have been in the 1st place

wonderful!!!!!!

[Guvernator]

Typical, a car which is hyped to the gills turns out to be pretty mediocre in reality but anyone who now calls that fact out is automatically accused of "not getting it" or "not being PH enough" and told to go and drive a turbo diesel instead.

I really wanted this car to succeed but the simple fact is it hasn't lived up to expectations. I could have forgiven the poor performance and so so styling but even the handling has come under criticism which was supposed to be the defining feature of this car right?

Hopefully this is just a first stab and they will improve things from here but yes I agree, this modded one is what it should have been closer to in the first place.

[ellisd82]

Yes, more like it! Wing needs changing slightly, not bad, but a bit OTT I think.

[Johnboy Mac]

Shurv said:

The whingers are only slagging it off cos they're not good enough drivers to exploit the massive fun to be had from this car.The only way they can drive quickly is by having a turbo or loads of power, then only in a straight line.Discuss.Those who have driven this car, and have good driving skills, have commented that you need to "get" this car before you understand it and learn to love it.A quick drive won't do this.So many of you are missing the whole point.This car will appeal to a great many people,it starts off with a good price and great value/spec for a new car. It has a 5 year warranty, low co2,low RFL,decent economy, low BIK for company car drivers and will be cheap to run and own in general.On top of this it will be available on a great finance rate with good residuals. The whole point of the thing is that for those who like their cars a bit more spicy, the aftermarket have been given the official green light to go to town on this car,meaning that you can have it exactly how you want it,depending upon what you want.Happy days!!!No one else gives you this sort of basis to create a usable sports car that suits you 100%. I can see many of these being kept and loved for many years,just like a bespoke pair of shoes.

Those comments seem very valid. Personally, I think from looking at the spec & reading the reports the basic car is just brilliant, a Japanese car built in Japan (a major plus point) for 25k, as a long term ownership prospect new or used it will be bloody easy to live with & should be cheap too. No, turbos is good news for more than one reason. Looking forward to having a drive in one.

[Stig]

Quick question then, especially for those who are saying it needs more power.

How many of you have driven it?

[356Speedster]

Shurv said:

The whingers are only slagging it off cos they're not good enough drivers to exploit the massive fun to be had from this car.The only way they can drive quickly is by having a turbo or loads of power, then only in a straight line.Discuss.Those who have driven this car, and have good driving skills, have commented that you need to "get" this car before you understand it and learn to love it.A quick drive won't do this.So many of you are missing the whole point.This car will appeal to a great many people,it starts off with a good price and great value/spec for a new car. It has a 5 year warranty, low co2,low RFL,decent economy, low BIK for company car drivers and will be cheap to run and own in general.On top of this it will be available on a great finance rate with good residuals. The whole point of the thing is that for those who like their cars a bit more spicy, the aftermarket have been given the official green light to go to town on this car,meaning that you can have it exactly how you want it,depending upon what you want.Happy days!!!No one else gives you this sort of basis to create a usable sports car that suits you 100%. I can see many of these being kept and loved for many years,just like a bespoke pair of shoes.

That's quite a stretch to say that people who have been disapointed can't drive one properly. I'm pretty much target market for this car (can afford it, want a fun car for wifey, have 1 child so small back seats are fine, don't subscribe to the SUV mindset, etc), but too much of the car doesn't add up. At one point wifey & I's 3-car fleet was all RWD: MX5, S-Type Jag, 356 Speedster.... since then, I've had (loved and driven very hard!!) an Ariel Atom 3 and now have an Ultima Can Am LS3 - let's get this straight: I really, really like RWD, but it has to be a well sorted car that gives me pleasure. The whole package is the most important think, not just having an RWD chassis. I wanted this car to be better than reviewers I respect say it is, look better (always subjective) and more importantly priced correctly.

It's performance does not move the game on from the MX5 we had a few yrs back, the chassis is showing to not be as engaging as expected and above all, it's priced too high. Once you add the necessary options, it's £27K. Now, I'm no penny pincher, but at that price it's just not a good enough car. At 36mpg (quoted, so in real life it'll be low 30's at best), 181g/km co2 (1st yr road tax = £325, then £215 after that), I'm failing to see this as a cheap car to run, too.

If what we're seeing is the starter for ten and if it was priced as such, I believe less people would have an issue with it's performance / handling. At £25K, with another 50bhp (doesn't need the full fat 320bhp we see here) and if the chassis was tighter, I'd be all over this and would forgive the styling.

I definately am happy that this car exists and will be pleased for people to buy and enjoy it as it'll keep the business case alive and we can expect the car to get better & better. The world is a better place for this car being on sale, it's invigorating the aftermaket and maybe most importantly, it's getting people like us talking. Let's just hope it's the tip of an icceberg

Out of interest of all the people on here who love the car, how many folks have placed an order?

[PascalBuyens]

That in Subaru blue...

Where do I sign???

[Johnboy Mac]

356Speedster said:

Out of interest of all the people on here who love the car, how many folks have placed an order?

Love it! Won't be buying one new or used! Love the Merc C63 Black also but won't be buying one of those either. So, does that really enlighten you?

Edited by Johnboy Mac on Thursday 17th May 19:06

[StormLoaded]

356Speedster said:

Out of interest of all the people on here who love the car, how many folks have placed an order?

Yeah my order is in. (since december)
.
Mine has retired the s2000 and its ridiculous 1k a set of tyres, and £460 road tax
Went for auto myself (don't are a jot if its not 'PH' it's my money and the sport mode particularly appeals to me - wont change gear [bang the limiter all day if u want], downshift blips, fast changes, and locks out 2nd+ gears so drifts)
Slightly better mpg (40mpg due to the longer 6th gear probably so will help with my 100mile/day commute costs) and 170 a year tax. Nice cheap set of tyres (so no worries about ripping through the sets) so will be enjoyed a lot more than my s2k and am really looking forward to it.. 29500 all in as I ticked every option box available at the moment - waiting on TRD bits though

[356Speedster]

Johnboy Mac said:

Love it! Won't be buying one new or used!

Why not? Not a pointed question, just genuinely interested to know why other folks who are in the market for a sports car of this price and who like it aren't purchasing.

StormLoaded said:

Yeah my order is in. (since december)
.
Mine has retired the s2000 and its ridiculous 1k a set of tyres, and £460 road tax
Went for auto myself (don't are a jot if its not 'PH' it's my money and the sport mode particularly appeals to me - wont change gear [bang the limiter all day if u want], downshift blips, fast changes, and locks out 2nd+ gears so drifts)
Slightly better mpg (40mpg due to the longer 6th gear probably so will help with my 100mile/day commute costs) and 170 a year tax. Nice cheap set of tyres (so no worries about ripping through the sets) so will be enjoyed a lot more than my s2k and am really looking forward to it.. 29500 all in as I ticked every option box available at the moment - waiting on TRD bits though

Good man - make sure you keep us posted when you get it then!

I did notice that the auto is cleaner (as they tend to be these days) on the configurator. That would be the only one that would be allowed on our company car scheme, as we (like many others) have implemented a strict CO2 policy

Edited by 356Speedster on Thursday 17th May 19:19

[Stig]

StormLoaded said:

Yeah my order is in. (since december)
.
Mine has retired the s2000 and its ridiculous 1k a set of tyres, and £460 road tax
Went for auto myself (don't are a jot if its not 'PH' it's my money and the sport mode particularly appeals to me - wont change gear [bang the limiter all day if u want], downshift blips, fast changes, and locks out 2nd+ gears so drifts)
Slightly better mpg (40mpg due to the longer 6th gear probably so will help with my 100mile/day commute costs) and 170 a year tax. Nice cheap set of tyres (so no worries about ripping through the sets) so will be enjoyed a lot more than my s2k and am really looking forward to it.. 29500 all in as I ticked every option box available at the moment - waiting on TRD bits though

For info - it's the final drive ratio that's different in the auto which is what accounts for the lower mpg and CO2. It's also one of the reasons Evo gave the Scoob a bit of a panning - the manual is more responsive with the shorter ratios.

[Johnboy Mac]

356Speedster said:

Johnboy Mac said:

Love it! Won't be buying one new or used!

Why not? Not a pointed question, just genuinely interested to know why other folks who are in the market for a sports car of this price and who like it aren't purchasing.

O.k, fair enough. I simply won't be buying one (very sadly) as I need a 4/5 door car, plus I couldn't justify having 25k rapped up in a play thing that may get used at w/ends, not to mention I've a couple of modern classics too - so I can't have it every way. But, if I was single, fifteen years younger I'd have one on order - how could one go wrong..........

[Johnboy Mac]

356Speedster said:

Good man - make sure you keep us posted when you get it then!

+1

[russy01]

StormLoaded said:

356Speedster said:

Out of interest of all the people on here who love the car, how many folks have placed an order?

Yeah my order is in. (since december)
.
Mine has retired the s2000 and its ridiculous 1k a set of tyres, and £460 road tax
Went for auto myself (don't are a jot if its not 'PH' it's my money and the sport mode particularly appeals to me - wont change gear [bang the limiter all day if u want], downshift blips, fast changes, and locks out 2nd+ gears so drifts)
Slightly better mpg (40mpg due to the longer 6th gear probably so will help with my 100mile/day commute costs) and 170 a year tax. Nice cheap set of tyres (so no worries about ripping through the sets) so will be enjoyed a lot more than my s2k and am really looking forward to it.. 29500 all in as I ticked every option box available at the moment - waiting on TRD bits though

Erm off topic but are your tyres lined with diamonds. I have a 2006 s2000 - tyres are £150 a pop (recommended Bridgestones - Yokohama ad08 are only £175)

I'd love to hear your opinion when you have the gt86 but from looking at numbers only I think you'll be left cold after the s2000.

[loose cannon]

ridiculous spoiler aside how much will it cost ? £47,000 ?
I hope it doesn't sound like a kazoo otherwise it will be the ultimate kids toy

[otolith]

Johnboy Mac said:

356Speedster said:

Out of interest of all the people on here who love the car, how many folks have placed an order?

Love it! Won't be buying one new or used! Love the Merc C63 Black also but won't be buying one of those either. So, does that really enlighten you?

A used one is a strong contender should the costs of running the 350Z eventually become too prohibitive. Can't really see anything else I fancy that would have significantly lower running costs than the Z.

[Johnboy Mac]

otolith said:

A used one is a strong contender should the costs of running the 350Z eventually become too prohibitive. Can't really see anything else I fancy that would have significantly lower running costs than the Z.

I reckon you're right on running costs, one of the big plus points for this new car and what will really support this is, as I mentioned earlier, it's a non turbo Jap car built in Japan. I'd have little worry about buying one outside of the warranty period.