RE: Volvo S60 Polestar: official details
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Who says Volvo/Polestar is actually aiming it at the M3, Merc, Audi brigade? Do people not stop for a second and think oh hang on the press have just put that title on it?? Has volvo itself came out and said we have created an M3? Seem to not see that statement anywhere.
Modern turbo tech is massively better than it used to be so quite possible that its not a lag monster, although something in the mind of the old 850R would be a nice return in many ways, or even the T4 had a laughable lag to it.
Modern turbo tech is massively better than it used to be so quite possible that its not a lag monster, although something in the mind of the old 850R would be a nice return in many ways, or even the T4 had a laughable lag to it.
Dear Volvo,
I'm a 33 year old single bloke. I'm not a company director but I do OK, and if life goes to plan I'm likely to need rear seats. There's no way in hell I'll squeeze an M3 past my partner but I might get away with one of these.
Please build one. And please make it as awesome as its hype.
I don't care if it's 100bhp less than your hype says if it'll do the twisties well. And I can have it in that lovely blue?
If you build it, it will sell.
I'm a 33 year old single bloke. I'm not a company director but I do OK, and if life goes to plan I'm likely to need rear seats. There's no way in hell I'll squeeze an M3 past my partner but I might get away with one of these.
Please build one. And please make it as awesome as its hype.
I don't care if it's 100bhp less than your hype says if it'll do the twisties well. And I can have it in that lovely blue?
If you build it, it will sell.
4WD, 500bhp from a 3.0l, a transverse 6 speed manual, and according to some other websites a pricetag of £50k. No-one finds this stupidly unrealistic for a production car?
This just will not happen, it's laughable about how implausible this is as anything more than just a concept, it will not go into production, and the day it does I'll eat my own pubes.
This just will not happen, it's laughable about how implausible this is as anything more than just a concept, it will not go into production, and the day it does I'll eat my own pubes.
Id have one...think its great!
Its an RS4/6 rival though, not directly at the C and M.
I am a little confused at those insulting Volvo though, esp with regards to build quality and interiors. Volvo have long been praised and regarded as having the best build quality of anybody. Recently they have been praised to the high heaven for their interior design aesthetics and the whole floating dash thing. Audi used to have exceptional interior quality, howver, take an Audi today and compare to one 5-10yrs ago. Much cheaper now.
Merc interior design is attrocious...and Ive spent a pretty penny with high end Mercs! BM interiors are just plain cheap and nasty, the only decent cabin they have produced in the last decade is the current Z4.
Its an RS4/6 rival though, not directly at the C and M.
I am a little confused at those insulting Volvo though, esp with regards to build quality and interiors. Volvo have long been praised and regarded as having the best build quality of anybody. Recently they have been praised to the high heaven for their interior design aesthetics and the whole floating dash thing. Audi used to have exceptional interior quality, howver, take an Audi today and compare to one 5-10yrs ago. Much cheaper now.
Merc interior design is attrocious...and Ive spent a pretty penny with high end Mercs! BM interiors are just plain cheap and nasty, the only decent cabin they have produced in the last decade is the current Z4.
DJRC said:
Id have one...think its great!
Its an RS4/6 rival though, not directly at the C and M.
I am a little confused at those insulting Volvo though, esp with regards to build quality and interiors. Volvo have long been praised and regarded as having the best build quality of anybody. Recently they have been praised to the high heaven for their interior design aesthetics and the whole floating dash thing. Audi used to have exceptional interior quality, howver, take an Audi today and compare to one 5-10yrs ago. Much cheaper now.
Merc interior design is attrocious...and Ive spent a pretty penny with high end Mercs! BM interiors are just plain cheap and nasty, the only decent cabin they have produced in the last decade is the current Z4.
Bit about audi quality taking a nosedive is very true. My mom had a 2006 A4 S-line avant paralell with my dads A4 Allroad 2011. The B7 is leagues ahead in terms of interior quality. Different league.Its an RS4/6 rival though, not directly at the C and M.
I am a little confused at those insulting Volvo though, esp with regards to build quality and interiors. Volvo have long been praised and regarded as having the best build quality of anybody. Recently they have been praised to the high heaven for their interior design aesthetics and the whole floating dash thing. Audi used to have exceptional interior quality, howver, take an Audi today and compare to one 5-10yrs ago. Much cheaper now.
Merc interior design is attrocious...and Ive spent a pretty penny with high end Mercs! BM interiors are just plain cheap and nasty, the only decent cabin they have produced in the last decade is the current Z4.
After_Shock said:
Who says Volvo/Polestar is actually aiming it at the M3, Merc, Audi brigade? Do people not stop for a second and think oh hang on the press have just put that title on it?? Has volvo itself came out and said we have created an M3? Seem to not see that statement anywhere.
Modern turbo tech is massively better than it used to be so quite possible that its not a lag monster, although something in the mind of the old 850R would be a nice return in many ways, or even the T4 had a laughable lag to it.
This is what I was thinking. If they just put "Polestar to produce a factory backed limited run of tuned S60's with 500bhp" Then nobody would have an issue, but some idiot (either from the media or Polestars press department) foolishly mentions the M3 and everyone up in arms. Of course it's not going to be an M3 rival, it doesn't even warrant discussion. Modern turbo tech is massively better than it used to be so quite possible that its not a lag monster, although something in the mind of the old 850R would be a nice return in many ways, or even the T4 had a laughable lag to it.
Reminds me of everytime some yank decides to strap a couple of turbos to an LS V8 then mount it inside a cheese-wedge shaped car with 1980's interior - PH then publish the headline "new Veyron beater 'stateside"
Simonium said:
DJRC said:
BM interiors are just plain cheap and nasty, the only decent cabin they have produced in the last decade is the current Z4.
With respect, that is utter bulls
t,Same story with the 'sport' trim too, with that awful red line that looks like it cost a fiver from halfords.
The steering wheels are far too thick and not very well shaped, and the seat leather seems to be constantly on a very fine line between too hard and completely worn out.
The front pillars also feel far too close to the driver after being in most other modern cars, it feels smaller than a VW polo(if a little wider to compensate) for the front two passengers.
The dash layout isn't very exciting or ergonomic either on the whole.
Volvo interior isn't usually that exciting either to be fair, but a volvo is usually a pleasant enough place to sit in.
Here's a review of the Volvo V60 T6 with Polestar performance kit bolted on. It's pitted against the Audi S4, which is apparently much better built, quicker and also better on b-roads.
The Volvo's interior is said to be cheap feeling by comparison.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests...
I really don't understand this thread though, half of you resent any comparisons to the M3, while the other half claim Volvo's have better quality and better designed interiors than BMW, Audi and MB! Come on lads, it's getting silly now.
What's strange is I wonder how many of these Polestar performance kits Volvo sells, as we never read much about them but we're always being told about performance upgrades from other manufacturers. I don't think the kit does Polestar any justice. They need to do more than just tweak the ECU. That's why Volvo needs an outright Polestar car, with performance suspension, engine, brakes, exhaust and remap.
The Volvo's interior is said to be cheap feeling by comparison.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests...
I really don't understand this thread though, half of you resent any comparisons to the M3, while the other half claim Volvo's have better quality and better designed interiors than BMW, Audi and MB! Come on lads, it's getting silly now.
What's strange is I wonder how many of these Polestar performance kits Volvo sells, as we never read much about them but we're always being told about performance upgrades from other manufacturers. I don't think the kit does Polestar any justice. They need to do more than just tweak the ECU. That's why Volvo needs an outright Polestar car, with performance suspension, engine, brakes, exhaust and remap.
Mitch2.0 said:
4WD, 500bhp from a 3.0l, a transverse 6 speed manual, and according to some other websites a pricetag of £50k. No-one finds this stupidly unrealistic for a production car?
This just will not happen, it's laughable about how implausible this is as anything more than just a concept, it will not go into production, and the day it does I'll eat my own pubes.
- Hope you've got some nice condiments?! I recon I will go into production, although some of the figures are bound to differ from the ones quoted in the article.This just will not happen, it's laughable about how implausible this is as anything more than just a concept, it will not go into production, and the day it does I'll eat my own pubes.
Mitch2.0 said:
4WD, 500bhp from a 3.0l, a transverse 6 speed manual, and according to some other websites a pricetag of £50k. No-one finds this stupidly unrealistic for a production car?
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Turbo power is very cheap actually. Companies just can ask ridiculous amounts of money for performance cars..
Not sure why some are bashing Volvo and don't care. I drive a V70R AWD 300hp its very quick 5.9sec 0-60 or something. This I like and tuned by Polestar is even better, I've been there and spoken to some of the Polestar guys and they use Genetic Algorithms to tune the suspension, which require loads of processing power. Volvo are with them constantly and the guy from Volvo you usually see in some VCC videos is a legendary F1 Engine Designer, if you doubt for a second that this lot don't mean business then you've messed up. This isn't Nascar style engineering this is extreme race engineering and I don't doubt for a second that this thing doesn't share stuff with the S60 they're racing in the new Swedish Touring car league.
I for one would trade my V70R in for one instead of an M3. I get stick for my V70R just because its a "Volvo" which makes no sense and as soon as the engine is put into a Ford its oooo amazing. PFFFT.
And last thing on interiors. Pininfarina, Johnson Controls, and various others produce interiors for vehicles, Johnson Control produces interiors for Audi, Volvo and Ford also others... There is literally not alot of of difference other than choice of plastics and how cheap to go, at which point there really isn't as much difference between Volvo and Audi. Lastly I like the M3 e92 its awesome and makes a great sound, Though my V70R holds its price better............
A 3.9 second S60 with Haldex 4 and e-LSD ? Yes please it was fitted to the Saabs as XWD and if you've been in a skid pad you'll know it can pull stupid rates of G, I felt like I was in a washing machine.
O and Volvo build it ffs I want to trade my V70R in for it. Also the world Quality is generally subjective, Lexus has impecible build quality but every now and then you come across something stupid i.e a foot parking brake in a 450hp ISF......... wth toyota? As for the Germans BMW has some nice interiors I must admit, Mercedes is a bit meh and Audi hmmm reminds me of a Golf...... Volvo that much worse? I don't really agree with that at all.
S60 Polestar = Swedish GTR
I for one would trade my V70R in for one instead of an M3. I get stick for my V70R just because its a "Volvo" which makes no sense and as soon as the engine is put into a Ford its oooo amazing. PFFFT.
And last thing on interiors. Pininfarina, Johnson Controls, and various others produce interiors for vehicles, Johnson Control produces interiors for Audi, Volvo and Ford also others... There is literally not alot of of difference other than choice of plastics and how cheap to go, at which point there really isn't as much difference between Volvo and Audi. Lastly I like the M3 e92 its awesome and makes a great sound, Though my V70R holds its price better............
A 3.9 second S60 with Haldex 4 and e-LSD ? Yes please it was fitted to the Saabs as XWD and if you've been in a skid pad you'll know it can pull stupid rates of G, I felt like I was in a washing machine.
O and Volvo build it ffs I want to trade my V70R in for it. Also the world Quality is generally subjective, Lexus has impecible build quality but every now and then you come across something stupid i.e a foot parking brake in a 450hp ISF......... wth toyota? As for the Germans BMW has some nice interiors I must admit, Mercedes is a bit meh and Audi hmmm reminds me of a Golf...... Volvo that much worse? I don't really agree with that at all.
S60 Polestar = Swedish GTR
Edited by Youjutsusha on Tuesday 19th June 07:14
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