RE: In depth: new Range Rover

[OdramaSwimLaden]

Olf said:

andyps said:

The fact that it is only 12kg heavier than a MINI Countryman is very impressive.

You could read into that that BMW have a lot to learn about weight saving, but that may be unfair due tothe relative prices and therefore ability to use more expensive materials. But it does means LR are doing a brilliant job which is very effective. Well done UK!

Read it again. The monocoque is 12kg heavier. The whole car is another 3/4 ton heavier.

At last some sense; all these people who are convinced it is lighter than a Mini or a 3 Series!!

A very misleading piece of Journalism.

It's lighter than a Smart Car*

• The dust caps.

I like the car, love the interior and find the various fuel economy and performance claims very impressive, if true. I just can't see all of them being achieveable though; especially the MPG claims.

[carsnapper]

Gob-smacked by the figures. Great looks. Hope they also work on increasing the reliability and making it more dependable in hostile environments.

I hope this gen can go some way to dispelling the commonly heard line: 'If you want to go into the outback, take a Range Rover. If you want to come back from the outback, take a Land Cruiser. '

[Fun Bus]

I've just counted six different blacks in the colour palette - why 6?!

[anonymous-user]

davepoth said:

Max_Torque said:

Seriously? Does anyone at JLR just think we will swallow this frankly b*lls**t?


So lets get this clear, it has a higher Vmax because it has less mass? Probably also explains why JLR products consistently fail to meet the standards set by their german counterparts.

Makes quite a difference at Nardo. Because it's a banked circle, the cornering force is significant - around 1 lateral G. As Newton said, f=ma, so any m taken off results in a lot less f. That means more lateral grip available, which means higher speed if you are going around a corner.

-edit-

(changed oval to circle)

I'm going to assume you haven't been to Nardo? Let me know when you have found a car fast enough to pull 1g around there! ;-)


(Hint, A = V2/r, so when you've got a RR to do over 500kph, let me know!) Also, the banking just move the lateral load to vertical tyre, which actually reduces the tyre loss, because their is less hysterisis in the tread than the sidewalls)

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 7th September 08:48

[Manks]

It still has the stupid rotary gear selector unfortunately.

[anonymous-user]

Pr1964 said:

Exactly if they really wanted it to be green they'd have a version which ditched all the off road bks ie a road going version still with 4x4 but much lighter without the locking diffs transfer boxes etc.
Would make it 5k cheaper too.
Would make it even faster and better handling too.

It remains a more is less vehicle.

Yeah it's really as simple as that isn't it?

[anonymous-user]

Countdown said:

JLR can design some fantastic cars - its a crying shame their not better built. I would LOVE to buy an RR for the wife but I'd buy a Landcruiser instead because of reliability.

Don't believe everything you read, my Landcruiser had to have a new gearbox with 56 miles on the clock.

All brands have the occasional lemon.

[Krikkit]

I loved the initial release photos, and now I'm smitten... If there's one thing which endears a car to me it's clever, detailed engineering - something this now has in spades.

Swirly airbox system? Battery as mass damper on the rear axle? Love it.

[Digga]

Manks said:

It still has the stupid rotary gear selector unfortunately.

Take a bit of getting used to, don't they? Especially driving past a gap you want to reverse into - the D>N>R sequence just seems a bit disjointed. I need to give it a bit more time to decide whether I like it.

[jdw1234]

So, who is going to trade a nice green TDV8 with the smallest wheels and no tints in for one of these babies?

I want your old car!!

[Greg 172]

Thud_Mcguffin said:

No mention of a seven seat option (again). That's an awfully big piece of metal that can only contain five people.

I seem to remember something about the platform being designed to allows this in the next RR Sport, so I wouldn't be suprised if it doesn't turn up at some point down the line in the standard RR

[JudgeMental]

arkenphel said:

Wills2 said:

arkenphel said:

Hold on, does the fact that the monocoque is lighter than an Audi/ BMW/ whatever mean anything?

It's just a monocoque, right? Once they hang on an engine and wheels etc. the thing will still be pretty heavy. Unless I am mistaken. Could someone please enlighten me.

I've read that it's about 400kg lighter than the out going FFRR so I think that puts it about 2.2 tonnes?

That's what I figured.

Basically this article is saying that Adele's skeleton is lighter than Simon cowell. Pretty irrelevant comparison IMO.

I do applaud the weight saving though. The more economical and dynamic the better. I'd like one!

Well put

[Donkey62]

Every country i been off the beaten road in every single 4x4 rental place seriously advised against hiring LR. Several different LR have left me stranded in various countries with nearest recovery more than a day away.

Best in class what utter BS LR only urbanites be fooled

[IanRubie]

D3fender said:

All brands have the occasional lemon.

They do, the difference is JLR have a whole orchard of lemon trees.

[Manks]

Digga said:

Manks said:

It still has the stupid rotary gear selector unfortunately.

Take a bit of getting used to, don't they? Especially driving past a gap you want to reverse into - the D>N>R sequence just seems a bit disjointed. I need to give it a bit more time to decide whether I like it.

I've had mine 15 months or so and I still don't like it. It's too easy to go past Drive into Sport, it has to come out the console before it can be used and I frequently have to look at it. With the old style lever you just stuck it all the way forwards or all the way backwards depending upon the required direction of travel. The knob is being different for the sake of it.

And now I've got myself started, it's got a stupid bloody start / stop button again. My keys rattle about in the centre console scratching my smart phone. What is really needed is a hole in the dashboard to poke the key, so the others on the ring can hang there out the way. Then a funky idea might be to rotate that key right to start the car and left to stop it. Perhaps this sort of innovation will be added on a later model.

[Digga]

Manks said:

Digga said:

Manks said:

It still has the stupid rotary gear selector unfortunately.

Take a bit of getting used to, don't they? Especially driving past a gap you want to reverse into - the D>N>R sequence just seems a bit disjointed. I need to give it a bit more time to decide whether I like it.

I've had mine 15 months or so and I still don't like it. It's too easy to go past Drive into Sport, it has to come out the console before it can be used and I frequently have to look at it. With the old style lever you just stuck it all the way forwards or all the way backwards depending upon the required direction of travel. The knob is being different for the sake of it.

And now I've got myself started, it's got a stupid bloody start / stop button again. My keys rattle about in the centre console scratching my smart phone. What is really needed is a hole in the dashboard to poke the key, so the others on the ring can hang there out the way. Then a funky idea might be to rotate that key right to start the car and left to stop it. Perhaps this sort of innovation will be added on a later model.

IIRC my Fiesta 1.1 had something very similar.

The other thing is (this might just be me) but using flappy-paddle gearchanges on a 4x4 doesn't seem right, whereas the previous, stick-shift LR practice of moving the gear lever left and then fore and aft for gear selection seemed pretty intuitive. Could just be me though.

[MattOz]

Have seen these wafting around Coventry undisguised for a couple of weeks now and they're seriously impressive. Would love one, but it's a lottery win away, unfortunately.

[Manks]

Digga said:

Manks said:

Digga said:

Manks said:

It still has the stupid rotary gear selector unfortunately.

Take a bit of getting used to, don't they? Especially driving past a gap you want to reverse into - the D>N>R sequence just seems a bit disjointed. I need to give it a bit more time to decide whether I like it.

I've had mine 15 months or so and I still don't like it. It's too easy to go past Drive into Sport, it has to come out the console before it can be used and I frequently have to look at it. With the old style lever you just stuck it all the way forwards or all the way backwards depending upon the required direction of travel. The knob is being different for the sake of it.

And now I've got myself started, it's got a stupid bloody start / stop button again. My keys rattle about in the centre console scratching my smart phone. What is really needed is a hole in the dashboard to poke the key, so the others on the ring can hang there out the way. Then a funky idea might be to rotate that key right to start the car and left to stop it. Perhaps this sort of innovation will be added on a later model.

IIRC my Fiesta 1.1 had something very similar.

The other thing is (this might just be me) but using flappy-paddle gearchanges on a 4x4 doesn't seem right, whereas the previous, stick-shift LR practice of moving the gear lever left and then fore and aft for gear selection seemed pretty intuitive. Could just be me though.

Not just you. The paddles are fine when the wheel is up the right way. When using command shift off road it's often necessary to look down at the paddles to see which one is up and which is down. The gear knob / paddles and the start-stop button are nothing more than stupid fashion elements, in my view.

[CliveM]

Did PH even bother to edit this before posting the text JLR sent them?
Misleading, gushing prose - exactly what PH shouldn't have any part of. Unless you're that hard up?

[MonteV]

I was impressed by the body being lighter than the 3-series. However, it's still 2.3 tons with the supercharged V8. Not bad for the size, but not as impressive as "within 12 kgs of the Mini Countryman."