RE: Aston Martin 'not lazy' - official
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AM? Their cars have looked the same for the last thousand years.
Besides which, the performance is nowhere near what its price level would seem to suggest. Plenty of far faster metal around for much less money.
Whats the point.
Lose some weight, add some power, drop the price. Does the gearbox actually work properly now (referring to the Top Gear episode where its shifting was laughable)?
Besides which, the performance is nowhere near what its price level would seem to suggest. Plenty of far faster metal around for much less money.
Whats the point.
Lose some weight, add some power, drop the price. Does the gearbox actually work properly now (referring to the Top Gear episode where its shifting was laughable)?
The blind loyalty towards porsche's is staggering.
Aston GT3 racer with the V12 engine (100kgs heavier than the V8) comes in at 1250kgs
Porsche GT3 Cup racer 1160kgs.
V8 Vantage GT2 1150kgs.
The Aston racers use VH chassis.
The VH chassis is probably the last thing that anyone should be criticising Aston Martin for.
Aston GT3 racer with the V12 engine (100kgs heavier than the V8) comes in at 1250kgs
Porsche GT3 Cup racer 1160kgs.
V8 Vantage GT2 1150kgs.
The Aston racers use VH chassis.
The VH chassis is probably the last thing that anyone should be criticising Aston Martin for.
NGK210 said:
"Being so modular means Aston rolls out all-new systems easily, as they become available rather than at model change time - ... developed with engineering partners such as ZF..."
What a load of old b
it! ZF has almost forgotten Aston exists, never mind being "partners" - it's probably the only car company still using the old 6-speed autobox, whereas all others swapped to the 8-speeder yonks ago, including grade-A penny-picher Jag.
What a load of old b
it! ZF has almost forgotten Aston exists, never mind being "partners" - it's probably the only car company still using the old 6-speed autobox, whereas all others swapped to the 8-speeder yonks ago, including grade-A penny-picher Jag. 
I've always wondered if anyone else has noticed that about Jaguar. Goes back all the way to William Lyons by all accounts.I have read this thread with some amusement.......my thoughts
I am on my third Aston Martin, my present car being a DB9...my comments
It has stupidly excessive fuel consumption.....I’m getting around 14MPG
It is very expensive to service and if it has a fault kiss good bye to the family holiday
It’s not that reliable.
It is no were near the best drivers car I have owned
The rear seats are a joke and my 3 YO just about fits in the back
The satnav is truly awful and cost £1500 extra
The ICE is bloody awful
The dash board looks like something out of a 15k car
The depreciation is huge
They cost a staggering 134k new
but but but......when you open the garage doors in the morning and behold its total perfection and balance you forgive all its idiosyncrasies......to own a modern day Aston Martin is truly a privilege experienced by few. Aston Martin have produced in its total history about as many cars as Ford produce in 1 day (ok maybe 1 1/2 days) that truly is an exclusive club that I love being a member of
I am on my third Aston Martin, my present car being a DB9...my comments
It has stupidly excessive fuel consumption.....I’m getting around 14MPG
It is very expensive to service and if it has a fault kiss good bye to the family holiday
It’s not that reliable.
It is no were near the best drivers car I have owned
The rear seats are a joke and my 3 YO just about fits in the back
The satnav is truly awful and cost £1500 extra
The ICE is bloody awful
The dash board looks like something out of a 15k car
The depreciation is huge
They cost a staggering 134k new
but but but......when you open the garage doors in the morning and behold its total perfection and balance you forgive all its idiosyncrasies......to own a modern day Aston Martin is truly a privilege experienced by few. Aston Martin have produced in its total history about as many cars as Ford produce in 1 day (ok maybe 1 1/2 days) that truly is an exclusive club that I love being a member of
The Pits said:
The blind loyalty towards porsche's is staggering.
Aston GT3 racer with the V12 engine (100kgs heavier than the V8) comes in at 1250kgs
Porsche GT3 Cup racer 1160kgs.
V8 Vantage GT2 1150kgs.
The Aston racers use VH chassis.
The VH chassis is probably the last thing that anyone should be criticising Aston Martin for.
I would suggest that blind loyalty towards Porsche is matched in your case by corresponding antipathy.It's a broad church on PH and that's a great thing but surely it's possible to appreciate the products of any firm if they are good. This isn't tribal you know, you are allowed to like Lotus, Aston and Porsche , it's not exclusive.Aston GT3 racer with the V12 engine (100kgs heavier than the V8) comes in at 1250kgs
Porsche GT3 Cup racer 1160kgs.
V8 Vantage GT2 1150kgs.
The Aston racers use VH chassis.
The VH chassis is probably the last thing that anyone should be criticising Aston Martin for.
The GT3 racers are completely irrelevant in this comparison, night and day different to road going equivalents.
big_rob_sydney said:
AM? Their cars have looked the same for the last thousand years.
Besides which, the performance is nowhere near what its price level would seem to suggest. Plenty of far faster metal around for much less money.
Whats the point.
Lose some weight, add some power, drop the price. Does the gearbox actually work properly now (referring to the Top Gear episode where its shifting was laughable)?
Aston is not about outright speed, you clearly don't understand their customer base. Performance isn't everything to everyone funnily enough.... If all people wanted was performance from their purchase, we would all be in chavved up Jap crap?Besides which, the performance is nowhere near what its price level would seem to suggest. Plenty of far faster metal around for much less money.
Whats the point.
Lose some weight, add some power, drop the price. Does the gearbox actually work properly now (referring to the Top Gear episode where its shifting was laughable)?
But then again, you have quoted Top Gear, so it is understandable you don't know much
You also have no clue of what cars Aston have released if you think they all look the same from the day they started.The gearbox worked fine when JC had it, he just wasn't using it properly, you are meant to give your foot a slight lift when shifting and it changes as smoothly as you would want, Clarkson just chose to ignore this as it gave him something to b
h about. Funnily enough, within a few episodes, his ham fistedness broke the gearbox on a Jag at the ring (IIRC?). Would he have been happier if he was given the freedom by Aston to blow the Vanquish gearbox??Edited by :J: on Wednesday 17th October 12:51
michael gould said:
I have read this thread with some amusement.......my thoughts
I am on my third Aston Martin, my present car being a DB9...my comments
It has stupidly excessive fuel consumption.....I’m getting around 14MPG
It is very expensive to service and if it has a fault kiss good bye to the family holiday
It’s not that reliable.
It is no were near the best drivers car I have owned
The rear seats are a joke and my 3 YO just about fits in the back
The satnav is truly awful and cost £1500 extra
The ICE is bloody awful
The dash board looks like something out of a 15k car
The depreciation is huge
They cost a staggering 134k new
but but but......when you open the garage doors in the morning and behold its total perfection and balance you forgive all its idiosyncrasies......to own a modern day Aston Martin is truly a privilege experienced by few. Aston Martin have produced in its total history about as many cars as Ford produce in 1 day (ok maybe 1 1/2 days) that truly is an exclusive club that I love being a member of
Well said Mr gould I am on my third Aston Martin, my present car being a DB9...my comments
It has stupidly excessive fuel consumption.....I’m getting around 14MPG
It is very expensive to service and if it has a fault kiss good bye to the family holiday
It’s not that reliable.
It is no were near the best drivers car I have owned
The rear seats are a joke and my 3 YO just about fits in the back
The satnav is truly awful and cost £1500 extra
The ICE is bloody awful
The dash board looks like something out of a 15k car
The depreciation is huge
They cost a staggering 134k new
but but but......when you open the garage doors in the morning and behold its total perfection and balance you forgive all its idiosyncrasies......to own a modern day Aston Martin is truly a privilege experienced by few. Aston Martin have produced in its total history about as many cars as Ford produce in 1 day (ok maybe 1 1/2 days) that truly is an exclusive club that I love being a member of
michael gould said:
I am on my third Aston Martin, my present car being a DB9...but but but......when you open the garage doors in the morning and behold its total perfection and balance you forgive all its idiosyncrasies......
Have to say, for a luxury GT, the DB9 is perfectly judged. In a way, this is more that Aston has been 'about' in the last few decades and only recently, back in racing and with the V8V are they trying to muscle into the Porsche (etc.) market.There used to be a guy in my village with a huge collection of Astons and the DB9S sounded utterly sublime and looked the part too. In many ways, given the state and congestion of contemporary roads the DB9 is perhaps most relevant.
michael gould said:
I have read this thread with some amusement.......my thoughts
I am on my third Aston Martin, my present car being a DB9...my comments
It has stupidly excessive fuel consumption.....I’m getting around 14MPG
It is very expensive to service and if it has a fault kiss good bye to the family holiday
It’s not that reliable.
It is no were near the best drivers car I have owned
The rear seats are a joke and my 3 YO just about fits in the back
The satnav is truly awful and cost £1500 extra
The ICE is bloody awful
The dash board looks like something out of a 15k car
The depreciation is huge
They cost a staggering 134k new
but but but......when you open the garage doors in the morning and behold its total perfection and balance you forgive all its idiosyncrasies......to own a modern day Aston Martin is truly a privilege experienced by few. Aston Martin have produced in its total history about as many cars as Ford produce in 1 day (ok maybe 1 1/2 days) that truly is an exclusive club that I love being a member of
The DB9 in your profile picture is so pretty it makes me, i don't know, feel a bit odd. I'd actually enjoy the poor fuel consumption as it gives you a chance to get out, look at it, fill it with fuel, walk to the kiosk (looking at it) queue up (still looking at it) then walk back STILL looking at it. I am on my third Aston Martin, my present car being a DB9...my comments
It has stupidly excessive fuel consumption.....I’m getting around 14MPG
It is very expensive to service and if it has a fault kiss good bye to the family holiday
It’s not that reliable.
It is no were near the best drivers car I have owned
The rear seats are a joke and my 3 YO just about fits in the back
The satnav is truly awful and cost £1500 extra
The ICE is bloody awful
The dash board looks like something out of a 15k car
The depreciation is huge
They cost a staggering 134k new
but but but......when you open the garage doors in the morning and behold its total perfection and balance you forgive all its idiosyncrasies......to own a modern day Aston Martin is truly a privilege experienced by few. Aston Martin have produced in its total history about as many cars as Ford produce in 1 day (ok maybe 1 1/2 days) that truly is an exclusive club that I love being a member of
... The Pits said:
The blind loyalty towards porsche's is staggering.
Aston GT3 racer with the V12 engine (100kgs heavier than the V8) comes in at 1250kgs
Porsche GT3 Cup racer 1160kgs.
V8 Vantage GT2 1150kgs.
The Aston racers use VH chassis.
The VH chassis is probably the last thing that anyone should be criticising Aston Martin for.
GT3 cars are equalised using weight, engine restrictors, ride heigh and tyre options. Aston GT3 racer with the V12 engine (100kgs heavier than the V8) comes in at 1250kgs
Porsche GT3 Cup racer 1160kgs.
V8 Vantage GT2 1150kgs.
The Aston racers use VH chassis.
The VH chassis is probably the last thing that anyone should be criticising Aston Martin for.
Hence if you spend a vast amount of money reducing weight the organisers will add ballast to your car to make it fair. Reducing weight is quite sensible for larger cars particularly with regards to brake wear and fuel efficiency.
George H said:
That's funny, I can't believe anyone would be so fking stupid that they can't see that it's definitely one of the best, and lightest of the cars that people would actually consider buying instead. That's more relevant, why don't you compare it to a Koenigsegg and say how slow it is. Or perhaps a Range Rover and say how crap it is off road. Your points are irrelevant, I don't understand why you can't see that 
I really get the impression you've never actually driven a V8V, or even any Aston. You sound like you've got your facts from Top Gear
And as I said before... If you think it's too heavy, don't go and part ex your massively out of date Boxster for one
Much as I enjoyed the righteous indignation if your post, You really come across as a pretty angry man. I suspect Aston Martin wouldn't thank for your sterling work as a brand ambassador...Are you one of those people that's incredibly defensive about their taste/choices?king stupid that they can't see that it's definitely one of the best, and lightest of the cars that people would actually consider buying instead. That's more relevant, why don't you compare it to a Koenigsegg and say how slow it is. Or perhaps a Range Rover and say how crap it is off road. Your points are irrelevant, I don't understand why you can't see that I really get the impression you've never actually driven a V8V, or even any Aston. You sound like you've got your facts from Top Gear
And as I said before... If you think it's too heavy, don't go and part ex your massively out of date Boxster for one
FWIW, I can't afford one but wouldn't buy one if I could as they're not my cup of tea, looks wise. Is that allowed?
George H said:
Disastrous said:
FWIW, I can't afford one but wouldn't buy one if I could as they're not my cup of tea, looks wise. Is that allowed?
I really don't care. If you don't like it then don't buy it. It's hardly complicated is it?George H said:
Disastrous said:
FWIW, I can't afford one but wouldn't buy one if I could as they're not my cup of tea, looks wise. Is that allowed?
I really don't care. If you don't like it then don't buy it. It's hardly complicated is it?And he's spot on
Disastrous said:
Why the venom for those that compare it unfavourably to something else then? And why paragraphs of spittle-flecked defence?
because after several attempts at trying to explain how comparing it to an £80k car to a £200k car is irrelevant, some imbeciles still can't see that as I've said before, compare a V8V to its actual rivals and the results aren't half as bad as some people on here make out...If you really think Im angry over it then you're wrong. I just find it hard to deal with people who criticise cars that they clearly have no clue about.
George H said:
Disastrous said:
Why the venom for those that compare it unfavourably to something else then? And why paragraphs of spittle-flecked defence?
because after several attempts at trying to explain how comparing it to an £80k car to a £200k car is irrelevant, some imbeciles still can't see that as I've said before, compare a V8V to its actual rivals and the results aren't half as bad as some people on here make out...If you really think Im angry over it then you're wrong. I just find it hard to deal with people who criticise cars that they clearly have no clue about.
Changing tack slightly, I've been fortunate enough to drive some really nice cars on track and (though I appreciate this is a tremendously un-PH) thing to say, they're ALL pretty good.
If I was buying for myself as a road car, I'd buy the one I liked the look of most inside and out. I think it's hard to buy a s
t car for £80k these so it really just comes down to which characteristics, looks or brand you prefer. Is that a fair point?Alas George we are in general gassing should we really expect any better?
What bugs me is that the 991 is actually more expensive than the V8V now if you compare similarly specc'd cars. Yet Aston will give you an aluminium chassis, gorgeous curves and exquisite detailing, massive sense of occasion (dare I even mention British design and build?) porsche are still pedalling steel eggy shaped things with lots of plastic inside. If you would rather have a steel chassis as some claim here, then good luck to you.
People can't see through all porsche's smoke and mirrors. Remember that this is the company who put a porsche badge on a VW Toureg and charged £100k for it.
What bugs me is that the 991 is actually more expensive than the V8V now if you compare similarly specc'd cars. Yet Aston will give you an aluminium chassis, gorgeous curves and exquisite detailing, massive sense of occasion (dare I even mention British design and build?) porsche are still pedalling steel eggy shaped things with lots of plastic inside. If you would rather have a steel chassis as some claim here, then good luck to you.
People can't see through all porsche's smoke and mirrors. Remember that this is the company who put a porsche badge on a VW Toureg and charged £100k for it.
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