RE: McLaren P1 pricing and performance
Discussion
If I was going to be critical of the P1 it would be of the majority of owners who will never put the car on the track or even worse never drive it at all as they brought it as an investment to sit in an air conditioned garage.
I loved the fact that the 599 XX and the FXX while out of the reach of the 99% were at least track focused cars that came with track time so their owners got to use the car close to its potential in a safe environment.
I loved the fact that the 599 XX and the FXX while out of the reach of the 99% were at least track focused cars that came with track time so their owners got to use the car close to its potential in a safe environment.
Peloton25 said:
loveice said:
Relatively speaking, This new P1 does NOT have impressive performance at all. Just have a look recent releases. These figures are better, but not like when the F1 was released...
Clearly you don't understand the car.>8^)
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You see, we normal people remember these kind of not so technical or important information than lap times...
Companies like McLaren need us to create all the excitement before the real buyers pay the cash. But, I guess nowadays people who actually do create the excitement are mostly the PS generation who care about the 'lap time' of each new release and KW of power the electric motors produce,..
Edited by loveice on Tuesday 26th February 17:08
Peloton25 said:
If you just read magazines and look at the spec sheet for 0-60, 1/4 mile times and top speed - yeah, you might struggle a bit to grasp what is going on here.
>8^)
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I agree that that may be their intention, but the raw speed of the car is not totally irrelevant either. If Mclaren were purely selling the P1 on handling, they'd quote downforce, G in corners, and lap times. But even they realise that pure performance figures do play a major part in sales, even to those who truly understand 'what is going on here', which is why they published them. >8^)
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There was no need to belittle a person who simply commented, quite correctly, that those stats are not as outstanding as in previous generations.
loveice said:
Peloton25 said:
loveice said:
Relatively speaking, This new P1 does NOT have impressive performance at all. Just have a look recent releases. These figures are better, but not like when the F1 was released...
Clearly you don't understand the car.>8^)
ER
You see, we normal people remember these kind of not so technical or important information than lap times...
Companies like McLaren need us to create all the excitement before the real buyers pay the cash. But, I guess nowadays people who actually do create the excitement are mostly the PS generation who care about the 'lap time' of each new release and KW of power the electric motors produce,..
It was one set, by the way - not two. I remember them as well.
>8^)
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Peloton25 said:
PascalBuyens said:
Can't help but thinks this is slow compared to an Agera R and the Hennessey Venom...
P1 registers a faster time than the Agera R to 200 khp - <7.0s for the P1 and 7.5s for the Agera R. The Agera R recovers that deficit to get to 300 kph faster than the P1 with a time of 14.5s. The P1s time has been noted as being at less than 17.0s, but the P1 has significantly more downforce (which induces drag) than the Agera R has to contend with, and it lacks about 200hp so one would expect it to be slower the faster you try to go.P1 was not designed for drag racing though, and would likely put up a very imposing time against the Agera R on most if not all race circuits around the world. That's its goal - that's what it was designed for.
I'm not even going to address the Hennessey - I wouldn't loan that guy five bucks based on his past reputation. There's no way I'd consider giving him a million dollars for a hacked up Lotus. If it works for you, that's fine.
>8^)
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Peloton25 said:
Your original point was all about figures - every word of it. Now you want to come back and talk about leg room and golf clubs? Really...?
Disagree with you, as he clearly states that when the F1 came out, it was by far the fastest car...Anyway, guess with all the hype going on, most of "us" mere mortals expected it to be a bit more "special" than just another "only for the very few select" hypercar.
Hennessey, as you quote, may have a dubious past, but you can't fault the guy that he did what he promised. As for changing the past... When Renault decided to close their manufacturing plant in Belgium, law and behold, half of Belgium rose to say they'd never buy another Renault. Guess who was nr.1 the next year? My point being... I don't judge people on their past, I try to see them for who they are today. Totally irrelevant for this article though
I'd still would give it a go if McLaren would lend me one to set a Ring time LOOOOL
PascalBuyens said:
Erhm... You might want to check out my car history, before classifying me in the "straight line brigade"... For me a car is more about handling then pure performance (although I want both).
Good to know. I didn't classify you in any way though- simply responded to the comments you posted. >8^)
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laughing at all the same types of post that came out for the MP4-12C
"but it doesn't look very flash like a ferrari"
"the interior isn't very plush"
"what's the point?"
honestly, are you lot petrolheads or not?
McLaren aren't aiming for quite the same niche as the italians, and they would go for function over form, unless I'm wrong. It would appear to be a piece of engineering excellence, judging but what they've managed to achieve. However ring times and posing value are all that matters clearly.
"but it doesn't look very flash like a ferrari"
"the interior isn't very plush"
"what's the point?"
honestly, are you lot petrolheads or not?
McLaren aren't aiming for quite the same niche as the italians, and they would go for function over form, unless I'm wrong. It would appear to be a piece of engineering excellence, judging but what they've managed to achieve. However ring times and posing value are all that matters clearly.
Gizmoish said:
I'm really looking forward to seeing a picture of the P1 that hasn't essentially been painted in Photoshop 
Try these three galleries:McLaren P1 Reveal - Paris 2012
McLaren P1 - Paris Motor Show (Day 2)
McLaren P1 - Beverly Hills Preview Event
If you want to see a few real world daylight photos, view my friends photos from the arrival at the Beverly Hills showing of the car here:
http://www.dirkap.com/the-outstanding-mclaren-p1-s...
>8^)
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Fantuzzi said:
Is the eletric motor just to appear green and eco, or is it the KERS style boost they wanted?
I just dont understand this movement into hybrid tech in supercars, just reduce the weight of the bloody things.
Whats the kerb weight on the P1?
McLaren wanted the instant torque that can only be supplied by batteries coupled to an electric motor. This is what will give the P1, 918 and Enzo replacement most of their performance advantage over traditional supercars with only an internal combustion engine. There is also an added economical benefit that is not the primary focus, but rather a perk, if you will. I just dont understand this movement into hybrid tech in supercars, just reduce the weight of the bloody things.
Whats the kerb weight on the P1?
The weight figure that has been floated is 1,400 kgs which is pretty astonishing I think. I do believe that to be a dry weight figure, but that was roughly the same dry weight figure that was published for the 12C and it was hardly a porker in the way it was constructed.
>8^)
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I think that a car like this that is built to destroy lap times needs to go racing.
McLarens race, that is what they do. The F1 did, the 12C does, and the P1 should. (McMerc doesn't count
).
If you add its predecessor into the equation and consider it necessary for the P1 to live up to, or surpass, the F1 - which I do - then the P1 needs to go racing.
I can't see how else it will get the exposure, reputation and provenance that McLaren seems to desire.
Sadly, logic and series regulations dictate this will be highly unlikely. I'll hope though.
McLarens race, that is what they do. The F1 did, the 12C does, and the P1 should. (McMerc doesn't count
). If you add its predecessor into the equation and consider it necessary for the P1 to live up to, or surpass, the F1 - which I do - then the P1 needs to go racing.
I can't see how else it will get the exposure, reputation and provenance that McLaren seems to desire.
Sadly, logic and series regulations dictate this will be highly unlikely. I'll hope though.
PascalBuyens said:
Can't help but thinks this is slow compared to an Agera R and the Hennessey Venom...
Any car looks slow next to a hennesey venom. The one evo featured can hit 200 in under 1/2 a mile, a standard veyron according to them needs a full mile to reach 200. What is not really made clear is how clean the exhausts are on either of those two vehicles (the venom and the agera r).. The Hennesey venom in some you tube videos looks like its running on almost straight pipes, which would make comparisons irrelevant. 
Peloton25 said:
Fantuzzi said:
Is the eletric motor just to appear green and eco, or is it the KERS style boost they wanted?
I just dont understand this movement into hybrid tech in supercars, just reduce the weight of the bloody things.
Whats the kerb weight on the P1?
McLaren wanted the instant torque that can only be supplied by batteries coupled to an electric motor. This is what will give the P1, 918 and Enzo replacement most of their performance advantage over traditional supercars with only an internal combustion engine. There is also an added economical benefit that is not the primary focus, but rather a perk, if you will. I just dont understand this movement into hybrid tech in supercars, just reduce the weight of the bloody things.
Whats the kerb weight on the P1?
The weight figure that has been floated is 1,400 kgs which is pretty astonishing I think. I do believe that to be a dry weight figure, but that was roughly the same dry weight figure that was published for the 12C and it was hardly a porker in the way it was constructed.
>8^)
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