RE: Toyota GT86: PH Carpool
Discussion
Mr Merkypast,
I own both a Mondial T and a MK1 MX5, so feel qualified to comment here. With respect and i am sure we will agree to differ here, but the Mondial is pretty special to drive. Always a sense of occasion, wailing ferrari V8, fast enough and always gets photoed/videoed. It is of course not a MX5, slightly surprised to see the two compared as they do totally different jobs.....hence why i have both.
Any how, i am equally surprised that the Mondial is being compared to the toyota, again totally different. Whilst i like my mondial it really is not a daily driver as the upkeep and maintenance are quite absorbing to keep it in good condition. I often read peoples ill informed views on electrics and reliability, mine has been faultless for 6000 miles and every owner i know says the same. Quite why people peddle this myth is beyond me.
Back on topic, the GT86 is a great car. Mate has one and really sings it's virtues and i am slightly jealous not have driven one yet. Well done OP.
I own both a Mondial T and a MK1 MX5, so feel qualified to comment here. With respect and i am sure we will agree to differ here, but the Mondial is pretty special to drive. Always a sense of occasion, wailing ferrari V8, fast enough and always gets photoed/videoed. It is of course not a MX5, slightly surprised to see the two compared as they do totally different jobs.....hence why i have both.
Any how, i am equally surprised that the Mondial is being compared to the toyota, again totally different. Whilst i like my mondial it really is not a daily driver as the upkeep and maintenance are quite absorbing to keep it in good condition. I often read peoples ill informed views on electrics and reliability, mine has been faultless for 6000 miles and every owner i know says the same. Quite why people peddle this myth is beyond me.
Back on topic, the GT86 is a great car. Mate has one and really sings it's virtues and i am slightly jealous not have driven one yet. Well done OP.
The older I get the more I realise that power for its own sake isn't worth the effort. It's about the complete package, ie: how well the chassis and engine characteristics are balanced.
I'd rather have something where you can really exploit and access all the performance rather than a straight-line rocketship that will spin the wheels everywhere in anything other than ideal conditions.
I like the sound of the GT86 very much indeed.
I'd rather have something where you can really exploit and access all the performance rather than a straight-line rocketship that will spin the wheels everywhere in anything other than ideal conditions.
I like the sound of the GT86 very much indeed.
abbotsmike said:
I really don't get some of the power comments. I've never felt that I needed any more power in my 130bhp diesel hatchback
That resonates with me - often feel that the 150bhp of my outback is plenty enough. With respect to traction it is possible to get the traction control flashing even with 4wd on muddy / snowy roadsBrilliant thread & review of the Ferrari Mondial!!
I have learnt more about the Ferrari than the BRZ. Incidentally, if I was to go down the 2nd hand Italian route for 2 door coupe expensive fun (for under £20k), I would go for the Maser 4200. Better than the Mondial in every respect, although still not a viable alternative to the BRZ for mile munching all year round.
Sorry, just re-read thread name... GT86!!
I have learnt more about the Ferrari than the BRZ. Incidentally, if I was to go down the 2nd hand Italian route for 2 door coupe expensive fun (for under £20k), I would go for the Maser 4200. Better than the Mondial in every respect, although still not a viable alternative to the BRZ for mile munching all year round.
Sorry, just re-read thread name... GT86!!
Edited by British Beef on Monday 16th September 22:20
Dunk130TC said:
Lovely car, except of course you've got in the wrong colour with the wrong badge. Here's mine:
Similarly to the reviewer, I do a fair few miles each year (c24k) and the thought of choosing an '80s Ferrari as a viable alternative, is as bonkers as suggesting an 80's Corolla is a good substitute for a Califonia.
As much as I adore cars, the thought of spending a bucket load on a new car leaves me cold. I've always bought at 3 years old and sold them when they approached 100k in a couple of years. Fiat Coupe, Impreza, 6MPS, alfa 156 and 159 and prior to the BRZ an Outback. I've always wanted a car I would enjoy driving, seeing as I spend so much time in it. The running costs are cheap, averaging 36mpg (tank to tank), service costs are sensible, warranty has been topped up to match the GT86 and a good px on the Outback led me to grab a BRZ. Yes, a Cayman is an alternative, but not if you want to be able to put the kids occasionally in the back, need a respectable mpg and service cost, together with a bullet proof warranty for peace of mind. For the first time ever in 25 yrs of driving, the BRZ was enough to make me buy new......well almost at a year old!
I'm just not sure what to do with my 944 now, as I've effectively bought the new version of my classic, maybe a Mondial?
Dunk, is that lowered in some way? It looks a little more 'mean' than the usual BRZ/GT.Similarly to the reviewer, I do a fair few miles each year (c24k) and the thought of choosing an '80s Ferrari as a viable alternative, is as bonkers as suggesting an 80's Corolla is a good substitute for a Califonia.
As much as I adore cars, the thought of spending a bucket load on a new car leaves me cold. I've always bought at 3 years old and sold them when they approached 100k in a couple of years. Fiat Coupe, Impreza, 6MPS, alfa 156 and 159 and prior to the BRZ an Outback. I've always wanted a car I would enjoy driving, seeing as I spend so much time in it. The running costs are cheap, averaging 36mpg (tank to tank), service costs are sensible, warranty has been topped up to match the GT86 and a good px on the Outback led me to grab a BRZ. Yes, a Cayman is an alternative, but not if you want to be able to put the kids occasionally in the back, need a respectable mpg and service cost, together with a bullet proof warranty for peace of mind. For the first time ever in 25 yrs of driving, the BRZ was enough to make me buy new......well almost at a year old!
I'm just not sure what to do with my 944 now, as I've effectively bought the new version of my classic, maybe a Mondial?
Edited by Dunk130TC on Monday 16th September 16:54
Edited by Dunk130TC on Monday 16th September 16:56
I have to admit, having gone off them a bit at launch, mainly due to disinterest from a Toyota dealer, I am now very much back 'on' these. I hope soon to have a bit more cash in my pocket so who knows...?
Mafioso said:
Argh I've just come home from work and thought I'd read about the GT86 which I have a LOT of admiration for and wanted to read comments from owners.
Instead, 300bhp has come on, as annoying as ever, and turned it into a slagging match talking about a non-comparable old Ferrari.
FFS get a grip. Take a good think about yourself mate and lay off the endless answering back and bulls
t talking. Thanks.
Don't be dim, me posting hasn't prevented anyone else posting. So the same replies are there for you to read regardless of any additional replies. Instead, 300bhp has come on, as annoying as ever, and turned it into a slagging match talking about a non-comparable old Ferrari.
FFS get a grip. Take a good think about yourself mate and lay off the endless answering back and bulls
t talking. Thanks.
Edited by 300bhp/ton on Tuesday 17th September 09:59
BlimeyCharlie said:
Do they? That means £5k on a good day from a dealer then. Is this along the lines of the "browsing in WHSmith at the Parkers guide" school of valuation?
No, it's a well-established rule of thumb that popular new cars with the "right" engine/transmission hold 45-50% of their value after 3 years. £5k residual value afetr 3 years is a ridiculous figure, unless something distasterous happens.AudiWurst said:
No, it's a well-established rule of thumb that popular new cars with the "right" engine/transmission hold 45-50% of their value after 3 years. £5k residual value afetr 3 years is a ridiculous figure, unless something distasterous happens.
I think he was being sarcastic and suggesting that £10-11k after 3 years is too low.These cars are not big sellers in the UK (2000 per year?). There is a clear theme in PH threads that there will be strong demand for these cars when they're 3+ years old. Combine that demand with the limited supply and it's unlikely the average price of a 2012 GT86/BRZ in 2015 will be £10-11k.
A similar thing has happened with the Lotus Evora. Everyone slated their new cost and said how they would bomb in value but because they're very rare (and very good
) there are virtually none for sale under £30k and the early ones are now 4 years old. Buyer demand is keeping their price up.I do fancy one of these as it is a 2+2 RWD car so the kids can be moved short distances. The alternative is a MX5 AND a small hatchback. Either option would be run alongside my company car so would be the fun can and my wife's daily driver.
Which would be the best option do you think?
Steve
Which would be the best option do you think?
Steve
Steve vRS said:
I do fancy one of these as it is a 2+2 RWD car so the kids can be moved short distances. The alternative is a MX5 AND a small hatchback. Either option would be run alongside my company car so would be the fun can and my wife's daily driver.
Which would be the best option do you think?
Steve
Depends on how big your kids' legs are/if they're in seats etc. I'd recommend taking everyone you want to transport in one to a dealer and all sitting in - you'll soon know if it's viable for your needsWhich would be the best option do you think?
Steve
Its also about the aerodynamics, its not always about the outdated cliché of bhp per tonne.
mrtwisty said:
Luuuurvly. Seeing more and more of these on the roads and I for one love the styling.
Surprised an EP3 CTR is noticeably quicker in a straight line... isnt the power to weight ratio almost the same?
Surprised an EP3 CTR is noticeably quicker in a straight line... isnt the power to weight ratio almost the same?
David1976 said:
I own a blue GT86 and have had it for a year and love it. It is a wonderful car and very entertaining.
Personally I have not had problems with CTR's (they are closely matched) but it is all about being in the right gear at the right time. Nothing much happens at all below 4750rpm in the GT86. The jump when you get there isn't as pronounced as an earlier CTR or Integra Type R but it most definitely feels like it has come on cam.
I think that's more to do with a dip then a recovery rather than a genuine jump in performance.Personally I have not had problems with CTR's (they are closely matched) but it is all about being in the right gear at the right time. Nothing much happens at all below 4750rpm in the GT86. The jump when you get there isn't as pronounced as an earlier CTR or Integra Type R but it most definitely feels like it has come on cam.
Ed Straker said:
To get back to topic....
Can anyone who OWNS a GT86 give me their cut on the EVO bleat regarding wet grip?
I really don't want yet another car that has to be tippy-toed around all Winter. (Or Summer last year, for that matter :-()
I fitted Nexen winter tyres last year and didn't haven't a moment's grief. Pretty sure-footed with the right tyres.Can anyone who OWNS a GT86 give me their cut on the EVO bleat regarding wet grip?
I really don't want yet another car that has to be tippy-toed around all Winter. (Or Summer last year, for that matter :-()
Escort Si-130 said:
Its also about the aerodynamics, its not always about the outdated cliché of bhp per tonne.
... because of course a breadvan Civic is much more aerodynamically efficient than a sleek coupe....mrtwisty said:
Luuuurvly. Seeing more and more of these on the roads and I for one love the styling.
Surprised an EP3 CTR is noticeably quicker in a straight line... isnt the power to weight ratio almost the same?
Surprised an EP3 CTR is noticeably quicker in a straight line... isnt the power to weight ratio almost the same?
As a couple of others have said, PtW isn't everything but at 'normal' road speeds, when comparing 'normal' cars, it remains the most useful measure I know of.
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