RE: Porsche 911 Turbo S: UK drive

RE: Porsche 911 Turbo S: UK drive

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Kawasicki

13,129 posts

237 months

Tuesday 8th October 2013
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NomduJour said:
Schnellmann said:
in Switzerland the type of person that buys a new 911 Turbo would not drive a GT-R
Most people who buy 911s (perhaps with the exception of the GT cars) buy them because they are a Porsche 911. It's been a default choice in the market for years which has nothing to do with what the car actually is or does (hence all those Tiptronic C4S cabriolets). If you base your self-worth on the badge on the back of your car, you aren't going to care if the GT-R is a better thing to drive, you just don't want people to think you drive a Nissan.
I'm not remotely interested in buying a 911, I have driven a few and I thought were a lot of fun to drive. One of them was a 997 convertible and that was even nice to drive. I agree that people may ignore the GT-R because it is a Nissan, but there are others that may ignore the 911 because it is a default choice, which is just as image conscious and just as daft.

davidd

6,480 posts

286 months

Tuesday 8th October 2013
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I would really like a go in a new turbo s, it is very much out of my price range at the moment but in a year or two I suspect it would be an option.

I have driven 997 turbos as they were high on my list a couple of years ago. They left me cold. I completely appreciate the porsche brand thing, the history, the amazing journey that has been the development of the 911. The 997 however just failed to excite in any way.
I was gutted as I was convinced it was the car for me.

I bought a GTR almost by accident, never even considering one until we went to a Nissan dealer to look at people carriers and I took one out almost out of curiosity. I bought it on the spot, amazing thing. Yes it is a little brash, the gizmo screen thing is pointless to me, but as a car it is epic.

Yes they do appeal to different people but don't dismiss them before you have tried one.

Anyway back to the lovely turbo s which is why we are here...

wink

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av185

18,643 posts

129 months

Tuesday 8th October 2013
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davidd said:
I would really like a go in a new turbo s, it is very much out of my price range at the moment but in a year or two I suspect it would be an option.

I have driven 997 turbos as they were high on my list a couple of years ago. They left me cold. I completely appreciate the porsche brand thing, the history, the amazing journey that has been the development of the 911. The 997 however just failed to excite in any way.
I was gutted as I was convinced it was the car for me.

I bought a GTR almost by accident, never even considering one until we went to a Nissan dealer to look at people carriers and I took one out almost out of curiosity. I bought it on the spot, amazing thing. Yes it is a little brash, the gizmo screen thing is pointless to me, but as a car it is epic.

Yes they do appeal to different people but don't dismiss them before you have tried one.

Anyway back to the lovely turbo s which is why we are here...



wink

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New GT3 will be more of a drivers car than the Turbo S.......

Schnellmann

1,893 posts

206 months

Tuesday 8th October 2013
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NomduJour said:
Schnellmann said:
in Switzerland the type of person that buys a new 911 Turbo would not drive a GT-R
Most people who buy 911s (perhaps with the exception of the GT cars) buy them because they are a Porsche 911. It's been a default choice in the market for years which has nothing to do with what the car actually is or does (hence all those Tiptronic C4S cabriolets). If you base your self-worth on the badge on the back of your car, you aren't going to care if the GT-R is a better thing to drive, you just don't want people to think you drive a Nissan.
It is a huge, and judgemental leap, to suggest that people are not buying the GT-R because their self-worth relates to the badge on the back of their car and they don't want it to be a Nissan. Buying a 911 or a GT-R makes very little objective sense. The opportunities to use even a fraction of the available performance (unless you spend your life on track) are vanishingly rare and most owners don't drive quickly enough on the road to appreciate subtle differences in handling. Of course, this is PH and everyone on here in a oversteer-hero...however in the real world (and Porsche dealerships) that isn't the case. I'm sure that those buying 911s (or GT-Rs) are doing so for many reasons. Bragging rights and impact on others is probably a reason for many. However, for every 911 buyer that would reject a GT-R "because it is only a Nissan" I'm expect there are an equal number of GT-R owners that bought the GT-R because it is not a 911 and they also want to make a statement that they are true petrolheads and not part of the 911-buying herd.

For myself I would much rather have a 2.2 S or 2.4 S than either the Turbo or the GT-R as I'd rather drive something that at vaguely legal speeds required a bit of input from myself.

Cactussed

5,292 posts

215 months

Tuesday 8th October 2013
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Stick with the 355... wink

torres del paine

1,588 posts

223 months

Tuesday 8th October 2013
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GranCab said:




Equally handsome in my eyes ...
The GT-R has more presence for me because it's fresher. It's a terffically brutal yet handsome-looking car. I also like that it looks Japanese and doesn't ape Italian or British design.

The 911 shape has been with us for decades now and whilst being an icon and a distinctive, great-looking car it has lost it's specialness for me. I've seen the shape so many times now...

Also the GT3 is always the best looking in the 911 range, for me anyway.

Schnellmann

1,893 posts

206 months

Tuesday 8th October 2013
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Cactussed said:
Stick with the 355... wink
Unfortunately it is up for sale at the moment as moving back to Blighty and not sure it is worthwhile bringing back a LHD example. frown

Yours looks lovely. Is that TDF blue?

Still thinking about what, if anything, to buy as second car in the UK. Another 355 is certainly on the list!

Kronstein

294 posts

131 months

Tuesday 8th October 2013
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Regarding "image", there's at least 1 F1 driver who owns a GTR - presumably if he wished, he could order a Turbo. There's another F1 driver who owns a GT2..

In terms of the article, the new Turbo sounds neat (as per the 996 Turbo) - agree sweet spot would seem to be the standard Turbo.

Expensive for a daily driver though...

Mr Whippy

29,129 posts

243 months

Tuesday 8th October 2013
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The thing is the 996 Turbo looked good.

This is really odd. All that writing on the back end alone makes it look really daft like it reversed into the Halfords stick on letting section.


The shape worked, probably at it's best in the 993/996 generation, but the car has just got too big now to pull it off any more and imo they should have gone in a different direction.
God knows what the next generation is going to look like if they try keep the classic 911 shape on an even bigger car again.

Mermaid

21,492 posts

173 months

Tuesday 8th October 2013
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Mr Whippy said:
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God knows what the next generation is going to look like if they try keep the classic 911 shape on an even bigger car again.
A step closer to the GTR.

WCZ

10,570 posts

196 months

Tuesday 8th October 2013
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the gtr looks big, the turbo looks smaller and more sportscar like

GranCab

2,902 posts

148 months

Tuesday 8th October 2013
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Please remember the GT-R is far bigger inside and can seat 2 normal-sized people in the back whereas the 911's accommodation is just a token gesture to being a 2 + 2.

playalistic

2,269 posts

166 months

Tuesday 8th October 2013
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varsas said:
Minor typo.
That's perfectly cromulent. You're wrong.

AMDBSNick

7,000 posts

164 months

Tuesday 8th October 2013
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Long time since I've owned a 911. Saw this car near Lutterworth 27th September.

Stunning, absolutely stunning is what I thought yes

Carl_Docklands

12,346 posts

264 months

Tuesday 8th October 2013
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You guys need to give the Turbo vs GT-R thing a rest.

Everyone knows that:

Buy a new GT-R to attract men.
Buy a new 911 Turbo to attract women.


toppstuff

13,698 posts

249 months

Tuesday 8th October 2013
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Carl_Docklands said:
Buy a new GT-R to attract men.
Buy a new 911 Turbo to attract women.
Having some experience of both cars, I am not sure either is true. Women certainly don't appreciate the Porsche. Quite the opposite, many women are quite prejudiced against them.

If you want to be a hit with the ladies, you need a historic / classic car.

Carl_Docklands

12,346 posts

264 months

Tuesday 8th October 2013
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toppstuff said:
Carl_Docklands said:
Buy a new GT-R to attract men.
Buy a new 911 Turbo to attract women.
Having some experience of both cars, I am not sure either is true. Women certainly don't appreciate the Porsche. Quite the opposite, many women are quite prejudiced against them.

If you want to be a hit with the ladies, you need a historic / classic car.
Topstuff, you are just not wearing it right dharling....

toppstuff

13,698 posts

249 months

Tuesday 8th October 2013
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Carl_Docklands said:
Topstuff, you are just not wearing it right dharling....
Fair point. Does'nt matter if I am in a new 911, a classic RS from the 70's, or a 1930's Bentley, I'm still a big baldy bloke with a permanent frown. This may explain things... scratchchin

willisit

2,142 posts

233 months

Tuesday 8th October 2013
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Hmm. Interesting stuff - mostly talk about how it looks (since, like most I have no ability or money to enjoy this or the previous generation). In person, the 991 is a lovely thing. Very well proportioned I think - not so much in pictures (the opposite in my mind to the GTR).

The performance is largely moot in my eyes. Especially in the UK - and given that most 997 Turbos I see are in traffic or pootling along on the motorway, I'm not sure even owners care much beyond bragging rights (and I would have one for that reason too!). wink

Either way, I look at the 991 and then at the 993 (the only 911 I've ever owned) and I think one is purposeful, the other pretty. I'd rather have the pretty one.

Carnnoisseur

531 posts

156 months

Tuesday 8th October 2013
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GranCab said:




Equally handsome in my eyes ...
I make you right!!!