How much respect do you have for speed limits?
Discussion
Monkeylegend said:
Mr SFJ said:
and lets be honest, 99% of people do 80-100 on the motorway anyway so it's just a technicality now.
I think you will find that is not actually true.Some of those doing 65 THINK they are doing 70, and some of those doing 70 think they are doing 75.
Most of the time they are in a jam going 3 mph.
It's all very well saying that you respect 30 limits because they are sensible but they are still only sensible in the right place. In an actual urban environment then yes 30 is sensible but why is this stretch 30 for example?:
http://goo.gl/maps/Lvtak
It goes back to the point that when all 30s were in places that needed them, when you came across one you always slowed down and stuck to the limit as you knew it would be sensible and well considered. When some of them are stupid and pointless it takes away that implicit trust in their validity and makes you question all 30 limits (which is bad as most of them are sensible).
http://goo.gl/maps/Lvtak
It goes back to the point that when all 30s were in places that needed them, when you came across one you always slowed down and stuck to the limit as you knew it would be sensible and well considered. When some of them are stupid and pointless it takes away that implicit trust in their validity and makes you question all 30 limits (which is bad as most of them are sensible).
TurboHatchback said:
It's all very well saying that you respect 30 limits because they are sensible but they are still only sensible in the right place. In an actual urban environment then yes 30 is sensible but why is this stretch 30 for example?:
http://goo.gl/maps/Lvtak
Probably on the basis that people don't slow down at the 30mph sign, but some way after it, hence why there are buffers and margins. You don't have to go back very far to find the NSL zone, or forwards very far to find the residential area, and there's pavements either side. I agree that that particular stretch is more like a 40 or 50 but in context it makes more sense. So, although it's not perfect, I can respect that.http://goo.gl/maps/Lvtak
Kinda' different where I live. I will break them (BIG time) when I know I won't see a car or person for 50 miles, on roads with no houses, junctions and zero traffic etc, and I'll drive MUCH slower than the 30 mph limit in a village when I know people are on holiday and will be playing footie in the road.
To me it's common sense. 30mph can be far too fast. 60 is sometimes far too slow.
To me it's common sense. 30mph can be far too fast. 60 is sometimes far too slow.
Edited by GetCarter on Saturday 31st May 14:32
TurboHatchback said:
It's all very well saying that you respect 30 limits because they are sensible but they are still only sensible in the right place. In an actual urban environment then yes 30 is sensible but why is this stretch 30 for example?:
http://goo.gl/maps/Lvtak
It goes back to the point that when all 30s were in places that needed them, when you came across one you always slowed down and stuck to the limit as you knew it would be sensible and well considered. When some of them are stupid and pointless it takes away that implicit trust in their validity and makes you question all 30 limits (which is bad as most of them are sensible).
Exactly.http://goo.gl/maps/Lvtak
It goes back to the point that when all 30s were in places that needed them, when you came across one you always slowed down and stuck to the limit as you knew it would be sensible and well considered. When some of them are stupid and pointless it takes away that implicit trust in their validity and makes you question all 30 limits (which is bad as most of them are sensible).
In Somerset we now have lengthy 30 limits for settlements so small they don't even warrant place names.
My usual sign of a wildly inappropriate 30 limit is the supplementary "it's 30 for a reason" sign, which almost by definition means "it's 30 because one resident kept moaning".
Johnnytheboy said:
TurboHatchback said:
It's all very well saying that you respect 30 limits because they are sensible but they are still only sensible in the right place. In an actual urban environment then yes 30 is sensible but why is this stretch 30 for example?:
http://goo.gl/maps/Lvtak
It goes back to the point that when all 30s were in places that needed them, when you came across one you always slowed down and stuck to the limit as you knew it would be sensible and well considered. When some of them are stupid and pointless it takes away that implicit trust in their validity and makes you question all 30 limits (which is bad as most of them are sensible).
Exactly.http://goo.gl/maps/Lvtak
It goes back to the point that when all 30s were in places that needed them, when you came across one you always slowed down and stuck to the limit as you knew it would be sensible and well considered. When some of them are stupid and pointless it takes away that implicit trust in their validity and makes you question all 30 limits (which is bad as most of them are sensible).
In Somerset we now have lengthy 30 limits for settlements so small they don't even warrant place names.
My usual sign of a wildly inappropriate 30 limit is the supplementary "it's 30 for a reason" sign, which almost by definition means "it's 30 because one resident kept moaning".
When driving during the day I'm just another road user, I have enormous respect for the limits as I drive for work and can't be without license..
I'll sit in lines of traffic, nobody would guess I was a keen driver..
Want a blast? Get up and get out the house at 4am (you've got while 5 on a weekday and 6-7 on a weekend) to get out, enjoy car free roads, what cars there are it's easy to pass. Back home for the rest of the day..
Only way these days IMO.
I'll sit in lines of traffic, nobody would guess I was a keen driver..
Want a blast? Get up and get out the house at 4am (you've got while 5 on a weekday and 6-7 on a weekend) to get out, enjoy car free roads, what cars there are it's easy to pass. Back home for the rest of the day..
Only way these days IMO.
Not much. Since there's more to driving than an immobile, unchanging sign. Yet so many people think it's the sign that dictates everything.
I'll drive to a equation that includes:
Actual speed limit (V)
Speed Camera/Police activity (w)
What the conditions are (x)
How much of a hurry I'm in (y)
and how much other traffic there is (z)
Someone like
x + y - z
v (w)
I'll drive to a equation that includes:
Actual speed limit (V)
Speed Camera/Police activity (w)
What the conditions are (x)
How much of a hurry I'm in (y)
and how much other traffic there is (z)
Someone like
x + y - z
v (w)
Rich_W said:
Not much. Since there's more to driving than an immobile, unchanging sign. Yet so many people think it's the sign that dictates everything.
I'll drive to a equation that includes:
Actual speed limit (V)
Speed Camera/Police activity (w)
What the conditions are (x)
How much of a hurry I'm in (y)
and how much other traffic there is (z)
Someone like
x + y - z
v (w)
The problem is that w is always the overriding,ever present,limiting factor in a world of long range laser traps that are guaranteed to get you at some point before you've seen them and unmarked police cars etc.I'll drive to a equation that includes:
Actual speed limit (V)
Speed Camera/Police activity (w)
What the conditions are (x)
How much of a hurry I'm in (y)
and how much other traffic there is (z)
Someone like
x + y - z
v (w)
IE x,y and z are all irrelevant because of w.
As posted elsewhere, anyone who believes that driving at, or within a posted speed limit makes them (A) safe, and (B) a safe driver, is a fool, fooling themselves. A vehicle can kill or injure a person, especially a child at 1 mph, let alone 20 mph.
The only truly safe speed speed for any motorized transport, when it is mixed with other non motorized road users is 0 mph.
We must remember there is a small, but vocal group of individuals in societies for whom motorized transport (especially cars) is spawn of the devil, and they will use any measures they can, including driving down speed limits, to make motorized transport (except perhaps buses) so slow as to be a non viable activity.
As a society we realize that if we wish to enjoy the benefits that using motorized transport brings
there will (like every thing else in life) be a price to pay. In a crowded country like the UK which mixes motorized and non motorized road users in the cramped congested space we know as roads, there will always be a number of deaths and injuries every single day. The question is how low, can we `realistically' bring these figures down to? and when does reducing speeds, start to make the use of motorized transport non viable.
The irony is that since the dawn of time, humans have been trying to go faster, and faster. This seems to be an inbuilt trait for `most' humans.
The only truly safe speed speed for any motorized transport, when it is mixed with other non motorized road users is 0 mph.
We must remember there is a small, but vocal group of individuals in societies for whom motorized transport (especially cars) is spawn of the devil, and they will use any measures they can, including driving down speed limits, to make motorized transport (except perhaps buses) so slow as to be a non viable activity.
As a society we realize that if we wish to enjoy the benefits that using motorized transport brings
there will (like every thing else in life) be a price to pay. In a crowded country like the UK which mixes motorized and non motorized road users in the cramped congested space we know as roads, there will always be a number of deaths and injuries every single day. The question is how low, can we `realistically' bring these figures down to? and when does reducing speeds, start to make the use of motorized transport non viable.
The irony is that since the dawn of time, humans have been trying to go faster, and faster. This seems to be an inbuilt trait for `most' humans.
Pan Pan said:
As posted elsewhere, anyone who believes that driving at, or within a posted speed limit makes them (A) safe, and (B) a safe driver, is a fool, fooling themselves. A vehicle can kill or injure a person, especially a child at 1 mph, let alone 20 mph.
The only truly safe speed speed for any motorized transport, when it is mixed with other non motorized road users is 0 mph.
We must remember there is a small, but vocal group of individuals in societies for whom motorized transport (especially cars) is spawn of the devil, and they will use any measures they can, including driving down speed limits, to make motorized transport (except perhaps buses) so slow as to be a non viable activity.
As a society we realize that if we wish to enjoy the benefits that using motorized transport brings
there will (like every thing else in life) be a price to pay. In a crowded country like the UK which mixes motorized and non motorized road users in the cramped congested space we know as roads, there will always be a number of deaths and injuries every single day. The question is how low, can we `realistically' bring these figures down to? and when does reducing speeds, start to make the use of motorized transport non viable.
The irony is that since the dawn of time, humans have been trying to go faster, and faster. This seems to be an inbuilt trait for `most' humans.
The difference is that going by the rule of being able to stop within the distance that you can see and anticipate likely to remain to be clear in built up areas obviously needs a much lower speed regime than out of town open roads and motorways.The problem is when the speed campaigners try to use the issue of the former to justify excessive speed enforcement of the latter. The only truly safe speed speed for any motorized transport, when it is mixed with other non motorized road users is 0 mph.
We must remember there is a small, but vocal group of individuals in societies for whom motorized transport (especially cars) is spawn of the devil, and they will use any measures they can, including driving down speed limits, to make motorized transport (except perhaps buses) so slow as to be a non viable activity.
As a society we realize that if we wish to enjoy the benefits that using motorized transport brings
there will (like every thing else in life) be a price to pay. In a crowded country like the UK which mixes motorized and non motorized road users in the cramped congested space we know as roads, there will always be a number of deaths and injuries every single day. The question is how low, can we `realistically' bring these figures down to? and when does reducing speeds, start to make the use of motorized transport non viable.
The irony is that since the dawn of time, humans have been trying to go faster, and faster. This seems to be an inbuilt trait for `most' humans.
Stopping in the distance you see to be clear is not an absolute. There will be occasions where it is not practical, or where other events that cannot be reasonably foreseen occur (such as a vehicle on the wrong side of the road coming around a corner to hit you, or a stationary vehicle across your side of the road).
It is a good piece of advice, but not absolute proof you have committed an offence or that you are liable in the event of damage and/or injury.
It is a good piece of advice, but not absolute proof you have committed an offence or that you are liable in the event of damage and/or injury.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz said:
Stopping in the distance you see to be clear is not an absolute. There will be occasions where it is not practical, or where other events that cannot be reasonably foreseen occur (such as a vehicle on the wrong side of the road coming around a corner to hit you
Single track roads aside, this is not a breach of the rule any more than someone deliberately driving into your car is.zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz said:
or a stationary vehicle across your side of the road)
but this is, and it's your carelessness if you drive into such a vehicle. I go at a speed I think is suitable for the conditions. Sometimes that is as far above the speed limit as my vehicle will go, other times it is eco-bimbling, and others barely walking pace. Most of the time its the first option, but that is because of my choice of vehicles more than anything.
Way I see it, if you get caught speeding it is a sign your observations aren't good enough.
Way I see it, if you get caught speeding it is a sign your observations aren't good enough.
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