Being overtaken...
Discussion
A woman at work one day told us she flashed at someone overtaking her on the road outside our work as he was going far too fast in a 40 limit. It was then I told her that it is in fact a national speed limit. D'oh!
But even if it had been a 40 limit, why would you take offence? Just let the person get on with their journey.
That was the same stretch of road where I got flashed by an oncoming car for overtaking a cyclist! I was back on my own side of the road by the time they flashed.
But even if it had been a 40 limit, why would you take offence? Just let the person get on with their journey.
That was the same stretch of road where I got flashed by an oncoming car for overtaking a cyclist! I was back on my own side of the road by the time they flashed.
av185 said:
wombleh said:
Driving around the Highlands was like a breath of fresh air, other drivers did all they could do accommodate you making progress including indicating and pulling over for you. Was the same on main roads and single-track with passing places. Very jealous of those who live up there!
Very true.Just returned from Skye.....epic driving roads both on the island and en route to Glasgow...the Invergary to Kyle of Lochalsh road takes some beating. No plod sighted, no scameras and other drivers accommodating your overtakes with courtesy....a rare thing nowadays. Accurate to say the further south one drives in the UK the more aggresive attitudes are againstmany overtaking manouvre........
king 40 like in oxford-shire. No hatred of overtaking and a lot more courtesy towards other drivers. The only thing that annoys me up there are bloody tourists who WILL NOT pull into a passing place on single track roads to let you past. One of the locals told me that apparently if they continue to do this past more than 7 passing places this actually counts as obstructive driving and to ring the local BIB and he will happily try to find them.Jamaroquai has a house near me and has been heard in the pub saying that he wanted a house up there so he had somewhere to drive his cars properly.
And there are no motorways...................
I don't mind being overtaken but I do mind the egotistical overtakes by people who can't get past or don't want to drive faster than me once in front so hold me up but just can't stay behind because their egos don't allow it. I had a guy in a BMW 318d yesterday try to overtake me through a roundabout and onto a dual carriageway. Rather than leave him standing I decided to let him pass so I accelerated very gently up to 40mph and 50mph but still he couldn't pass. His attempt at an overtake left me dithering in the inside lane when I wanted to get a shift on.
CapnSlow said:
My house is in 30 mph limit which until 3 or 4 years ago was an NSL. It should really have been reduced to a 40 but the council person knows best of course. I pull out of my drive regularly speed up quickly (M3 V8 does the trick) to the limit or sometimes just above if someone is bearing down on me at 40 or 50 as they regularly do, then they overtake me in the 30 limit (dangerously nearly always) only to hold me up in the NSL 300 yards later when they seem to drive like a big girl's blouse. Really winds me up. Coming home I regularly get flashed for overtaking on a road I know better than most, they then catch me up as I'm doing 30 again in the 30 limit and they just stay at 45 that they'd been doing all the way along the NSL. F****wits. Well not all the other drivers obviously
I'd be sure to turn off into my house at a snails pace if they are still behind. MC Bodge said:
I often wonder what proportion of the drivers notice this kind of thing. A small one, I suspect.
As for cross-views and the like, I suspect a tiny proportion use them.
I've actually had the police ring me after a complaint was made about me overtaking on a 'blind' corner. Yes it is blind if you look six inches in front of your bonnet. If, however you have your eyes open and can look up the hill you can see for a good three quarters of a mile with perfect visibility. As for cross-views and the like, I suspect a tiny proportion use them.
Asked Mr Policeman if he was local and he was indeed, I then told him exactly where the overtake had been made, explained the situation and proposed the fact that maybe it wasn't me that was the incompetent driver. He agreed.
Captainawesome said:
I've actually had the police ring me after a complaint was made about me overtaking on a 'blind' corner. Yes it is blind if you look six inches in front of your bonnet. If, however you have your eyes open and can look up the hill you can see for a good three quarters of a mile with perfect visibility.
Asked Mr Policeman if he was local and he was indeed, I then told him exactly where the overtake had been made, explained the situation and proposed the fact that maybe it wasn't me that was the incompetent driver. He agreed.
You sound almost too awesome.Asked Mr Policeman if he was local and he was indeed, I then told him exactly where the overtake had been made, explained the situation and proposed the fact that maybe it wasn't me that was the incompetent driver. He agreed.
MC Bodge said:
Captainawesome said:
I've actually had the police ring me after a complaint was made about me overtaking on a 'blind' corner. Yes it is blind if you look six inches in front of your bonnet. If, however you have your eyes open and can look up the hill you can see for a good three quarters of a mile with perfect visibility.
Asked Mr Policeman if he was local and he was indeed, I then told him exactly where the overtake had been made, explained the situation and proposed the fact that maybe it wasn't me that was the incompetent driver. He agreed.
You sound almost too awesome.Asked Mr Policeman if he was local and he was indeed, I then told him exactly where the overtake had been made, explained the situation and proposed the fact that maybe it wasn't me that was the incompetent driver. He agreed.
I've had pretty good experiences with the BIB. Most I have dealt with have been pretty good.
Snollygoster said:
I'd be sure to turn off into my house at a snails pace if they are still behind.
It's tempting.I did it one time: overtook a GTi in the NSL in my e46 he was dawdling along so I took the opportunity. He followed me -tailgating and ranting and raving until I got away from him, he caught me up in the 30 and followed me into the bottom of the drive. I got out of the car to open the gate, he got out of his car and started ranting saying I shouldn't be overtaking or driving too fast. I let him continue to rant without reply he then went onto say that perhaps I might know the road quite well and that anyway his girlfriend's mother had just died (I think we got to the root of the problem) - I offered him my condolences (really) and off he went. Oh and the CCTV cameras may have encouraged him to run along. Oh and the dog.
I was overtaken today.
Arse in a new Jag was right up my chuff in a NSL but he couldn't overtake due to cars in the opposite direction.
I then entered the small 40 zone before the 30, turned right down a short road with a primary school on it.
7:50 am, and plenty of kids around going to the breakfast club at the school.
I deemed it only safe to do 20-25 mph, but matey Jag boy wasn't happy.
Nice, fast overtake right outside the school gates, up to the next junction, pulls out left without even giving way and bombs off down the road at what I'd estimate to be double the 30 limit.
Caught him up a few minutes later when he got stuck in traffic.
But I didn't flash my lights, nor invite him for coffee.
I just tutted under my breath.
Arse in a new Jag was right up my chuff in a NSL but he couldn't overtake due to cars in the opposite direction.
I then entered the small 40 zone before the 30, turned right down a short road with a primary school on it.
7:50 am, and plenty of kids around going to the breakfast club at the school.
I deemed it only safe to do 20-25 mph, but matey Jag boy wasn't happy.
Nice, fast overtake right outside the school gates, up to the next junction, pulls out left without even giving way and bombs off down the road at what I'd estimate to be double the 30 limit.
Caught him up a few minutes later when he got stuck in traffic.
But I didn't flash my lights, nor invite him for coffee.
I just tutted under my breath.
As said earlier I think it's often a territorial mindset that makes people block overtakes, and an "I am right, always" attitude and usually goes hand in hand with aggressive tailgating - too much arrogance, not enough awareness.
I haven't had too much hassle overtaking lately, but after a while you get a sixth sense for who is going to be offended, so I will usually be close to the power band of my car when I sense someone might try and block me, so I can squirt past as the overtaken car tries to make things uncomfortable by accelerating, it happens a lot on dual carriageways and motorways. Even with a meagre 130ish bhp it is usually enough, and being a whesel anything over 2500rpm gives most of the power, so quite easy really to have enough in reserve.
On the subject of confrontational driving, I really hate those who come barreling up behind me and latch on to my rear bumper, sometimes I can try to thwart their target fixation by backing off the accelerator as they approach to lose just a couple of mph, then flooring it to gain about 5mph within a second or two, then backing off again using gentle engine braking, all just about-ish within the speed limit. Often it might force them to overtake, which is great, as they are out of my safety bubble then.The yoyo effect confuses them if they try to stay latched on to my rear bumper, so they often back off to a more sensible distance. I won't lose speed quickly or brake test as that is causing a significant safety risk.
I haven't had too much hassle overtaking lately, but after a while you get a sixth sense for who is going to be offended, so I will usually be close to the power band of my car when I sense someone might try and block me, so I can squirt past as the overtaken car tries to make things uncomfortable by accelerating, it happens a lot on dual carriageways and motorways. Even with a meagre 130ish bhp it is usually enough, and being a whesel anything over 2500rpm gives most of the power, so quite easy really to have enough in reserve.
On the subject of confrontational driving, I really hate those who come barreling up behind me and latch on to my rear bumper, sometimes I can try to thwart their target fixation by backing off the accelerator as they approach to lose just a couple of mph, then flooring it to gain about 5mph within a second or two, then backing off again using gentle engine braking, all just about-ish within the speed limit. Often it might force them to overtake, which is great, as they are out of my safety bubble then.The yoyo effect confuses them if they try to stay latched on to my rear bumper, so they often back off to a more sensible distance. I won't lose speed quickly or brake test as that is causing a significant safety risk.
Had one this morning. Idiot in silver Celica indicates left and pulls into middle lane of motorway (which is clear for a significant distance ahead). I start to overtake and what does idiot do - indicates right and starts to pull back into lane 3, even though I'm more or less level with his front door at this point. Cue horn and main beam headlights.
I would ask why, but other than to try and force me off the road or to brake hard I can't think of any other reason behind this behaviour.
I would ask why, but other than to try and force me off the road or to brake hard I can't think of any other reason behind this behaviour.
Captainawesome said:
In a weeks time I am moving to a village near Gairloch, I can see Skye over the water from my back garden. I generally find the driving a lot better up there. People doing 60 in a 60 and not fking 40 like in oxford-shire. No hatred of overtaking and a lot more courtesy towards other drivers. The only thing that annoys me up there are bloody tourists who WILL NOT pull into a passing place on single track roads to let you past. One of the locals told me that apparently if they continue to do this past more than 7 passing places this actually counts as obstructive driving and to ring the local BIB and he will happily try to find them.
Jamaroquai has a house near me and has been heard in the pub saying that he wanted a house up there so he had somewhere to drive his cars properly.
And there are no motorways...................
Worst tenuous link with former naff-hat-wearing pop star evah! king 40 like in oxford-shire. No hatred of overtaking and a lot more courtesy towards other drivers. The only thing that annoys me up there are bloody tourists who WILL NOT pull into a passing place on single track roads to let you past. One of the locals told me that apparently if they continue to do this past more than 7 passing places this actually counts as obstructive driving and to ring the local BIB and he will happily try to find them.Jamaroquai has a house near me and has been heard in the pub saying that he wanted a house up there so he had somewhere to drive his cars properly.
And there are no motorways...................
Oh, and you're a lucky so and so to be able to live up there,
regards,
Jet
av185 said:
wombleh said:
Driving around the Highlands was like a breath of fresh air, other drivers did all they could do accommodate you making progress including indicating and pulling over for you. Was the same on main roads and single-track with passing places. Very jealous of those who live up there!
Very true.Just returned from Skye.....epic driving roads both on the island and en route to Glasgow...the Invergary to Kyle of Lochalsh road takes some beating. No plod sighted, no scameras and other drivers accommodating your overtakes with courtesy....a rare thing nowadays. Accurate to say the further south one drives in the UK the more aggresive attitudes are againstmany overtaking manouvre........
We have just returned from the highlands and one particular drive just after Glencoe to Applecross stands out for me. Met a few mud pluggers in front of me and as soon as the single track widened they moved over with a wave. We also came across a white sprinter van (insert joke) who although was making good pace, kindly moved over and waved us through where he could and then tried to keep up behind the slowest car in our group. Was all rather civil and refreshing.
crispyshark said:
av185 said:
wombleh said:
Driving around the Highlands was like a breath of fresh air, other drivers did all they could do accommodate you making progress including indicating and pulling over for you. Was the same on main roads and single-track with passing places. Very jealous of those who live up there!
Very true.Just returned from Skye.....epic driving roads both on the island and en route to Glasgow...the Invergary to Kyle of Lochalsh road takes some beating. No plod sighted, no scameras and other drivers accommodating your overtakes with courtesy....a rare thing nowadays. Accurate to say the further south one drives in the UK the more aggresive attitudes are againstmany overtaking manouvre........
We have just returned from the highlands and one particular drive just after Glencoe to Applecross stands out for me. Met a few mud pluggers in front of me and as soon as the single track widened they moved over with a wave. We also came across a white sprinter van (insert joke) who although was making good pace, kindly moved over and waved us through where he could and then tried to keep up behind the slowest car in our group. Was all rather civil and refreshing.
crispyshark said:
Yep, this, in spades. Same on the continent, no one seems to care which leads me to believe it is very much an English thing to get annoyed when you are overtaken.
We have just returned from the highlands and one particular drive just after Glencoe to Applecross stands out for me. Met a few mud pluggers in front of me and as soon as the single track widened they moved over with a wave. We also came across a white sprinter van (insert joke) who although was making good pace, kindly moved over and waved us through where he could and then tried to keep up behind the slowest car in our group. Was all rather civil and refreshing.
To be honest, even in my native Essex daan saath, I've never had people take issue with me overtaking them and many times I've waved people past who are making considerably more progress than me, but I must agree that Scotland is a very enjoyable place to drive. I even had a couple of people move over and wave me past when I would have been perfectly happy to sit behind them (I wasn't tailgating or being aggressive, they just saw me approaching at a pace quicker than them, so decided to let me pass, which was nice). One time, someone even pulled into a parking lay-by so I could pass. We have just returned from the highlands and one particular drive just after Glencoe to Applecross stands out for me. Met a few mud pluggers in front of me and as soon as the single track widened they moved over with a wave. We also came across a white sprinter van (insert joke) who although was making good pace, kindly moved over and waved us through where he could and then tried to keep up behind the slowest car in our group. Was all rather civil and refreshing.
I also came across some terrible and inconsiderate ones too in Scotland though. Someone who went painfully slowly through the nice twisty bits where overtaking wasn't really an option (braking for every oncoming car or twig/leaf on the road), but would speed up to 60 once on the long straights which made overtaking them only possible if you wanted to flout the law considerably.
crispyshark said:
Yep, this, in spades. Same on the continent, no one seems to care which leads me to believe it is very much an English thing to get annoyed when you are overtaken.
We have just returned from the highlands and one particular drive just after Glencoe to Applecross stands out for me. Met a few mud pluggers in front of me and as soon as the single track widened they moved over with a wave. We also came across a white sprinter van (insert joke) who although was making good pace, kindly moved over and waved us through where he could and then tried to keep up behind the slowest car in our group. Was all rather civil and refreshing.
Belgium? And Belgians everywhere. When my wife and I are driving in Europe we have an ongoing laugh at the ineptitude and small penis syndrome of Belgian drivers. We can spot them a mile off (sorry 1.6km off) even before we see the dreaded B surrounded by stars and a blue background.We have just returned from the highlands and one particular drive just after Glencoe to Applecross stands out for me. Met a few mud pluggers in front of me and as soon as the single track widened they moved over with a wave. We also came across a white sprinter van (insert joke) who although was making good pace, kindly moved over and waved us through where he could and then tried to keep up behind the slowest car in our group. Was all rather civil and refreshing.
CapnSlow said:
Belgium? And Belgians everywhere. When my wife and I are driving in Europe we have an ongoing laugh at the ineptitude and small penis syndrome of Belgian drivers. We can spot them a mile off (sorry 1.6km off) even before we see the dreaded B surrounded by stars and a blue background.
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