RE: TVR's rebirth - can it work? PH Blog
Discussion
The history books are full of "desirable, enthusiast, specialist, light-weight, drivers cars" which failed because they didn't achieve the "average" which is essential to get out of the starting blocks.
Compare the Perana Z-One which morphed into the AC 378 GT Zagato which morphed into absolutely no sales whatsoever. 2012, "AC is still finalising details such as interior trim specifications and UK suspension settings, but reckons the 378 GT Zagato should be available to order this year at about £90,000. It could be good."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/classiccars/92...
Compare the Perana Z-One which morphed into the AC 378 GT Zagato which morphed into absolutely no sales whatsoever. 2012, "AC is still finalising details such as interior trim specifications and UK suspension settings, but reckons the 378 GT Zagato should be available to order this year at about £90,000. It could be good."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/classiccars/92...
I have a slightly modified 18 year old Chimaera which does 0-60 and 0-100 quicker than the C7 Vette... The modded lump under the bonnet is based on a 4.6 Coscast Rover block. I like Vette's and once had the pleasure of being driven from Houston (Texas) to Lafeyette (Louisiana), via the bayou's in a banana yellow C4.... Was a bit ' drive faster I can hear banjos'... But fun...
I also like cheese
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And if anyone is interested my favourite cheese is dolce latte.... Washed down with a Barollo... Which has as much to do with TVR as a bloody Corvette...
ETA: Sorry, spelt Barolo incorrectly.... I'm also on drugs (prescribed) for a shot back so may not be making much sense
I also like cheese
kAnd if anyone is interested my favourite cheese is dolce latte.... Washed down with a Barollo... Which has as much to do with TVR as a bloody Corvette...
ETA: Sorry, spelt Barolo incorrectly.... I'm also on drugs (prescribed) for a shot back so may not be making much sense
Edited by ChilliWhizz on Wednesday 11th May 08:51
I'm still in the believe camp - unfortunately i missed the show as a deposit holder as the Mrs changed our holiday plans so i'm looking forward to the events in the summer to have a proper catch up.
The final video shot made me think of the old Speed 12 front corners with a bastardised Tuscan front - but that might just be me
The final video shot made me think of the old Speed 12 front corners with a bastardised Tuscan front - but that might just be me
I've been saying this for yonks. No way could they develop and introduce it in the timescales involved, not even with a bog standard Ford motor (which, despite assurances to the contrary, it turns out is exactly what's under the bonnet). Where is their unique selling point? Why, for God's sake, would you buy this over a V8 Vantage, which is also quick, naturally-aspirated and manual?
Personally, I wish they'd just bring back the Sagaris.
Personally, I wish they'd just bring back the Sagaris.
RoverP6B said:
I've been saying this for yonks. No way could they develop and introduce it in the timescales involved, not even with a bog standard Ford motor (which, despite assurances to the contrary, it turns out is exactly what's under the bonnet). Where is their unique selling point? Why, for God's sake, would you buy this over a V8 Vantage, which is also quick, naturally-aspirated and manual?
Personally, I wish they'd just bring back the Sagaris.
USPs:Personally, I wish they'd just bring back the Sagaris.
1100-1300kg
400hp/tonne
V8 (In a world of downsizing it's now a USP)
6-speed manual
£60-80k (depending on spec)
Will be more reliable than an Aston Martin (
)Next to no electronic nanny aids.
It's a niche car, no question about it, but I think there is definitely a market for it. With the increasingly sanitised and usable nature of sports cars today, some customers out there may want to get into something that makes them feel a little bit scared perhaps? The only real competitors at the £60-80k range are the; F-Type R, 991.2 Carrera (can option a C2 into 6 figures for Christ sake), Lotus Evora 400, Alfa 4c, Aston Martin V8 vantage and the Nissan GTR. Whilst you could get a variety of second hand options from Ferrari and Lamborghini, they aren't new cars and, I would assume, cost far more in up-keep.
From the list of new cars, its likely the TVR would blow all of them (besides the GTR perhaps) into the weeds. I for one can't wait to see what TVR come up with and remain optimistic. Lets support our national manufacturers, with a healthy dose of realism, instead of discounting them before they've even shown anything tangible....
Griffithy said:
RoverP6B said:
Why, for God's sake, would you buy this over a V8 Vantage, which is also quick, naturally-aspirated and manual?
Because some of us are still to young (at heart) for that kind of nanny equipped sports lorry.
To dreamers in diesels and family cars fantasising over sports cars, they're all much of a muchness, but the actual product is night and day when you compare them as sports cars.
The term "GT" gets bandied about as some sort of pseudo-insult sometimes, but the fact is that TVR owners want the loud, harsh, direct and very connected sensory overload that a TVR embodies. The Vantage owner wants to wang along at great pace in a soothing environment. Both are comfortable to be in etc - it's not as though a TVR should be equated to a Caterham or a Lotus by people without direct sports car experience - TVRs are very comfortable to sit in, but the driver expects the car to be demanding to drive and feels like a spare part in cars like the F-Type, Porsche and Vantage, whereas a Vantage customer would find a TVR a pain in the arse.
The aging gentlemen of Top Gear who always went on about how the AMG GT had "grown up" when compared to the SLS are Vantage type customers. They want a car for London that can go fast outside. TVR customers don't want the car to grow up.
I realise that's hard to explain to people who have only ever driven different shades of modest performance family cars, but there it is.
JockySteer said:
Having had a chat with a TVR specialist recently whilst having some work done, they seem to think it'll have a NA (maybe supercharged) V8 with near 500bhp.
That with a c.1100-1200kg weight & manual gearbox please.
LOL - I'd expect 410-420bhp on the standard/basic car, 500bhp plus on the Cosworth engined car (LE) if not more. Supercharger as a later option or aftermarket (there's already cheap bolt on kits in the US that add 200bhp).That with a c.1100-1200kg weight & manual gearbox please.
Byker28i said:
JockySteer said:
Having had a chat with a TVR specialist recently whilst having some work done, they seem to think it'll have a NA (maybe supercharged) V8 with near 500bhp.
That with a c.1100-1200kg weight & manual gearbox please.
LOL - I'd expect 410-420bhp on the standard/basic car, 500bhp plus on the Cosworth engined car (LE) if not more. Supercharger as a later option or aftermarket (there's already cheap bolt on kits in the US that add 200bhp).That with a c.1100-1200kg weight & manual gearbox please.
AOK said:
A new render from AutoCar
Ah the good old front cover "render/artists impression" complete with the ubiquitous tiny glass house to make the car look "Racey"....(look at it, the side windows aren't even half as high as the wheel, no way could you either get into that, or see out of it (and hence it won't pass sightline homologation requirements etc)
Max_Torque said:
Ah the good old front cover "render/artists impression" complete with the ubiquitous tiny glass house to make the car look "Racey"....
(look at it, the side windows aren't even half as high as the wheel, no way could you either get into that, or see out of it (and hence it won't pass sightline homologation requirements etc)
Wait a minute...... are you trying to tell me that Autocar is just making some stuff up????(look at it, the side windows aren't even half as high as the wheel, no way could you either get into that, or see out of it (and hence it won't pass sightline homologation requirements etc)
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