RE: 10 questions TVR's new bosses must answer
Discussion
As FD3Si mentioned earlier in this thread, if you took away the TVR name how many people on here would still have placed a deposit? Especially given you were asked for either £2.5k or £5k in a totally non-protected account? There didn’t seem to be a straight answer anywhere in that interview and given people will be committing/have already stumped up large sums of cash I’d expect a little more professionalism and substance. Again, people seem to forgive this ‘because it’s TVR’ but if it were a generic new sportscar brand would you feel the same? And forget it’s an old name, it is still a totally new and unknown sportscar company, albeit with a bought in historical name to kick the brand off.
Prices seem to be kicked about all over the place. There are 500 LE cars but I believe only 400 deposits taken, how many of these were speculative and so likely to be cancelled given the reveal? £70-£90k which I guess is where the LE will eventually sit opens up a huge amount of serious metal, both new and second hand from far more established names that will have spent more researching and developing an indicator bulb than this new company will have on their whole car development (not quite true but you know what I mean).
TVR needs to market beyond the current TVR owner so they need to attract the HNW Porsche, Aston type owners. They can’t do this with the above, certainly not as a long term business. I know theres a lot of support from the TVR community but how many of them can afford one/will buy one?
I genuinely wish them well and if they’re good I may well buy one but I wouldn’t part with a penny when I have no confidence in what I’m being told. I’ve been a TVR owner for 13 years and easily fall into the target market in terms of the fact I like different, raw, loud bespoke cars and it’s not into the realms of supercar pricing. Happy to eat all these words if it all works out but for now it’s not for me.
Prices seem to be kicked about all over the place. There are 500 LE cars but I believe only 400 deposits taken, how many of these were speculative and so likely to be cancelled given the reveal? £70-£90k which I guess is where the LE will eventually sit opens up a huge amount of serious metal, both new and second hand from far more established names that will have spent more researching and developing an indicator bulb than this new company will have on their whole car development (not quite true but you know what I mean).
TVR needs to market beyond the current TVR owner so they need to attract the HNW Porsche, Aston type owners. They can’t do this with the above, certainly not as a long term business. I know theres a lot of support from the TVR community but how many of them can afford one/will buy one?
I genuinely wish them well and if they’re good I may well buy one but I wouldn’t part with a penny when I have no confidence in what I’m being told. I’ve been a TVR owner for 13 years and easily fall into the target market in terms of the fact I like different, raw, loud bespoke cars and it’s not into the realms of supercar pricing. Happy to eat all these words if it all works out but for now it’s not for me.
KTF said:
lee_erm said:
Any clues on who's engine this new car will use? The was mention of the Coyote unit a few months ago.
I believe it's a Ford donkey that will be breathed on by Cosworth.essexstu said:
KTF said:
lee_erm said:
Any clues on who's engine this new car will use? The was mention of the Coyote unit a few months ago.
I believe it's a Ford donkey that will be breathed on by Cosworth.
The Crack Fox said:
I'm trying to make sense of all this. As I understand it, and please correct me if I'm wrong;
1-They don't have an actual factory, just some discussion with the circuit of Wales, which isn't an actual circuit as it stands.
2-They don't have a workforce other than some consultant Engineers as they don't have a factory yet or production cars to build.
3-They don't have a firm price yet.
4-They need funding from people's deposits to get it off the ground.
5-They don't have a car we can see.
6-They don't have firm dates of when we can see an actual car.
7-They don't have much (any?) experience of running a car manufacturing business before.
If I am right on the 7 points above then I wish them the very best of British, sincerely, but at best this lacks credibility, at worst it's a fantasy.
Stop being so negative, it's TVR not 1-They don't have an actual factory, just some discussion with the circuit of Wales, which isn't an actual circuit as it stands.
2-They don't have a workforce other than some consultant Engineers as they don't have a factory yet or production cars to build.
3-They don't have a firm price yet.
4-They need funding from people's deposits to get it off the ground.
5-They don't have a car we can see.
6-They don't have firm dates of when we can see an actual car.
7-They don't have much (any?) experience of running a car manufacturing business before.
If I am right on the 7 points above then I wish them the very best of British, sincerely, but at best this lacks credibility, at worst it's a fantasy.
Jensen
Marcos
Panther
Keating
Bristol
etc
they will sell 100s a year just you wait and see
thecook101 said:
Well that's it. Deposit paid, LE car reserved. For all the concerns raised here, including by myself, I couldn't resist the attraction of a 400bhp per ton, mental TVR, on a Gordon Murray chassis, with a V8 breathed on by Cosworth. C'mon Les, make it happen!
Well done! I genuinely hope it all works out!I've been sorely tempted too, but having no clue what the thing will cost I've not been able to.
Agreed with all the posts about this being as woolly as f
k, but we've all seen way worse, £1million plus hypercar "projects" over the years.Really hope it happens and I'll probably end up with one if it does. Just not comfy taking a punt on an unknown entity.
Well...
I'm very happy to hear that TVR takes another chance on the market under a new leadership. After the era of Peter Wheeler and finally Simolevski had to come to an end. It's a shame that such an individualistic sportscar was claimed to be dead, just because the manufactory in blackpool closed it's doors. I think I first came across this branch, a bit like Hammond used to say, when I watched Top Gear "Back in the fast Lane". I knew immediatley this car is the ultimate challenge to drive and maybe someday to own. It's not just the missing safety equipments, or the rear wheel drive which seems to be hard to handle. That may offers the comperable Noble M12 by the help of turbos supporting the breath of the Mondeo engine, managing superiorly the challenge of corners. For me it's the noise and the lunatic looks which make out nearly any TVR, for me the appearance is one of the main tasks which have to be performed, when thinking of a customer attracting follow model. Eventhough I'm german I have had the luck to take a few glimpses on mindblowing TVR's like Sagaris, Tuscan and T350. In the last mentioned I even took a small ride with one of the rare german owners, back in the early 2000 days.
I think the type of cars which have been build in Blackpool, was not that wrong at all. In my opinion the aims of TVR's "Godfathers" are to often misunderstood. Sure it's not providing dangerous injury when an airbag is missing in such a fast car...but when you cross a certain speed, even an airbag can't help. Yes I admit that's an endless discussion. When I got the theme wright it's all about weight. The consequence is like explained in the text, not everyone can just jump in it an go for a ride. It's an art to maintain control in this car, not imaginable housewifes accomplishing the everyday shopping. Yesterday I saw a porsche driver on a market parking lot jumping out of his carrera 4s with a handbag. No more words needed for that scene. It's just not a sportscar anymore. It has to be dangerous to drive ^^
But a safety tank would be desireable, even though I burn for these cars.
When they take Cosworth into consideration, with a more weighty V8, I'd like to see a more affordable car with a better accelerating V6 when possible in cooperation with Lee Noble, regarding at the handling. But breaking out of the rear should be possible as before.
I'd like to see new TVR models staying unique as pure driving machines in the spirit of Trevor Wilkinson and not just as an auto brand that tames cars for a wider range of customers.
I'm very happy to hear that TVR takes another chance on the market under a new leadership. After the era of Peter Wheeler and finally Simolevski had to come to an end. It's a shame that such an individualistic sportscar was claimed to be dead, just because the manufactory in blackpool closed it's doors. I think I first came across this branch, a bit like Hammond used to say, when I watched Top Gear "Back in the fast Lane". I knew immediatley this car is the ultimate challenge to drive and maybe someday to own. It's not just the missing safety equipments, or the rear wheel drive which seems to be hard to handle. That may offers the comperable Noble M12 by the help of turbos supporting the breath of the Mondeo engine, managing superiorly the challenge of corners. For me it's the noise and the lunatic looks which make out nearly any TVR, for me the appearance is one of the main tasks which have to be performed, when thinking of a customer attracting follow model. Eventhough I'm german I have had the luck to take a few glimpses on mindblowing TVR's like Sagaris, Tuscan and T350. In the last mentioned I even took a small ride with one of the rare german owners, back in the early 2000 days.
I think the type of cars which have been build in Blackpool, was not that wrong at all. In my opinion the aims of TVR's "Godfathers" are to often misunderstood. Sure it's not providing dangerous injury when an airbag is missing in such a fast car...but when you cross a certain speed, even an airbag can't help. Yes I admit that's an endless discussion. When I got the theme wright it's all about weight. The consequence is like explained in the text, not everyone can just jump in it an go for a ride. It's an art to maintain control in this car, not imaginable housewifes accomplishing the everyday shopping. Yesterday I saw a porsche driver on a market parking lot jumping out of his carrera 4s with a handbag. No more words needed for that scene. It's just not a sportscar anymore. It has to be dangerous to drive ^^
But a safety tank would be desireable, even though I burn for these cars.
When they take Cosworth into consideration, with a more weighty V8, I'd like to see a more affordable car with a better accelerating V6 when possible in cooperation with Lee Noble, regarding at the handling. But breaking out of the rear should be possible as before.
I'd like to see new TVR models staying unique as pure driving machines in the spirit of Trevor Wilkinson and not just as an auto brand that tames cars for a wider range of customers.
smilo996 said:
PH should put a slapomter on certain posts so team Porschar can get the full force of the slapomter.
Yar but it
Won't be on time
Will fall apart
Will be 100k plus
The loom won't work because it is not Bosch
Will it have PDK?
I bet the switchgear will be substandard
Does it have four seats?
So rising above that, there are some great quotes:
"why would anyone choose a TVR over them? John Chasey: "Because they're not a TVR" - correct
Pretty impressive but the power to weight ratio is far more critical - correct
And then you'll be able to bring it back and we'll make it even louder, there's no question about that - correct
It does mean footballers' wives can buy Ferraris and drive them down to the supermarket but it doesn't make for the best driving experience - correct
You start with designers who have done that before, you didn't just dream it up in a shed - correct
we will not compromise the first car and pull out something faulty that makes everyone say 'told you - correct
All good then and it will be available at 65K just not at launch. Sensible.
+1Yar but it
Won't be on time
Will fall apart
Will be 100k plus
The loom won't work because it is not Bosch
Will it have PDK?
I bet the switchgear will be substandard
Does it have four seats?
So rising above that, there are some great quotes:
"why would anyone choose a TVR over them? John Chasey: "Because they're not a TVR" - correct
Pretty impressive but the power to weight ratio is far more critical - correct
And then you'll be able to bring it back and we'll make it even louder, there's no question about that - correct
It does mean footballers' wives can buy Ferraris and drive them down to the supermarket but it doesn't make for the best driving experience - correct
You start with designers who have done that before, you didn't just dream it up in a shed - correct
we will not compromise the first car and pull out something faulty that makes everyone say 'told you - correct
All good then and it will be available at 65K just not at launch. Sensible.
You're kidding right..?
Or is this to add to your already impressive list of topics..
Enjoying a tender steak. How? ( 64)
What will the turnout be at the EU referendum? ( 109)
Would a modern day F1 car beat a 10 or 12 year old one? ( 33)
How much mark up does a jeweller make on a watch? ( 15)
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Sartorial advice from the PH massive - Polo attire ( 9)
Memories of Cup final day ( 17)
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Installing a TV (aerial advice) ( 4)
Or is this to add to your already impressive list of topics..
Enjoying a tender steak. How? ( 64)
What will the turnout be at the EU referendum? ( 109)
Would a modern day F1 car beat a 10 or 12 year old one? ( 33)
How much mark up does a jeweller make on a watch? ( 15)
Who on earth is Danny Lambo ? ( 9)
Sartorial advice from the PH massive - Polo attire ( 9)
Memories of Cup final day ( 17)
Are cars depreciating a lot slower these days? ( 21)
Installing a TV (aerial advice) ( 4)
Here we go,
- In 1981, Murray was involved in improvements for Midas Cars.
- Light Car Company 'Rocket', an ultra-lightweight, open cockpit roadster powered by a 1-litre motorcycle engine, which has an appearance similar to that of a 60's era Grand Prix car. The Rocket was built by former racing driver Chris Craft at the Light Car Company.
- In 2007 the Gordon Murray Design consultancy was established, and released initial details regarding its upcoming Type 25 prototype city car along with mention of a future lightweight, economical supercar project.
- In 2008 Gordon Murray won the ‘Idea of the Year’ accolade at Autocar magazine’s annual awards ceremony for the manufacturing process proposed for the T.25.
- In 2009 Gordon Murray Design and Zytek Automotive announced plans to develop an electric-powered version, the T.27, in partnership with British technology company Zytek, which will build the powertrain.
- Murray is also collaborating with TVR to design the upcoming TVR models scheduled for release in 2017.
Ozzie Osmond said:
Here we go,
I can't see anything there that constitutes what i'd call successful. - In 1981, Murray was involved in improvements for Midas Cars.
- Light Car Company 'Rocket', an ultra-lightweight, open cockpit roadster powered by a 1-litre motorcycle engine, which has an appearance similar to that of a 60's era Grand Prix car. The Rocket was built by former racing driver Chris Craft at the Light Car Company.
- In 2007 the Gordon Murray Design consultancy was established, and released initial details regarding its upcoming Type 25 prototype city car along with mention of a future lightweight, economical supercar project.
- In 2008 Gordon Murray won the ‘Idea of the Year’ accolade at Autocar magazine’s annual awards ceremony for the manufacturing process proposed for the T.25.
- In 2009 Gordon Murray Design and Zytek Automotive announced plans to develop an electric-powered version, the T.27, in partnership with British technology company Zytek, which will build the powertrain.
- Murray is also collaborating with TVR to design the upcoming TVR models scheduled for release in 2017.
Most centre around the T25 which hasn't materialised.
I'm not looking to denegrate him as the F1 is incredible but other than that, as far as actual end product is concerned I'm not seeing anything and I fear the new TVR will join that list.
Gordon Murray is a technical god in formula one. The McClaren F1 is legendary. So no questioning his technical ability at designing car engineering.
If you look at any interviews with him then you see that he embraces the spirit of simplicity, lightness, rawness and driver involvement. Some of the key aspects of TVR is exactly this spirit.
You would rather have him at the helm of the engineering design of this car than the current crop of mainstream Germanic offerings. Don't get me wrong, I think BMWs/Audis/MB are wonderful cars and have their place in the market but I would want to know that TVR are doing something different.
Gordon offers hope.
If you look at any interviews with him then you see that he embraces the spirit of simplicity, lightness, rawness and driver involvement. Some of the key aspects of TVR is exactly this spirit.
You would rather have him at the helm of the engineering design of this car than the current crop of mainstream Germanic offerings. Don't get me wrong, I think BMWs/Audis/MB are wonderful cars and have their place in the market but I would want to know that TVR are doing something different.
Gordon offers hope.
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