RE: New Swift Sport images!

[GT Glee]

ClockworkCupcake said:

GT Glee said:

In the mk2, Suzuki added more front-end response by revising (stiffening) the unique rear torsion beam, and increased both camber and toe rigidity for improved wheel control and therefore overall grip and handling.

I hope you mean compared to the standard car, rather than compared to the Mk1. Having driven both, the Mk2 is a bread knife compared to the scalpel that is the Mk1.

Respectfully a test drive does not make you an authority.

Come back and make an informed view once you've spent several thousand miles exploring the dynamic envelope.

[ClockworkCupcake]

GT Glee said:

Respectfully a test drive does not make you an authority.

Come back and make an informed view once you've spent several thousand miles exploring the dynamic envelope.

Equally respectfully, one does not need to perform several hundred operations to conclude that a bread knife is a poor substitute for a scalpel.

But, more seriously, perhaps the Mk2 hides its abilities so well that they have to be teased out and unlocked, and are more nuanced and hidden, rather than being instantly accessible like in the Mk1.

I'm sure that if you had driven a Mk2 for thousands of miles and then hopped into a Mk1 then you'd find it skittish, tinny, fizzy, overly darty, and hyperactive.

Horses for courses, and no skin off my nose either way.

[stupidbutkeen]

GT Glee said:

Respectfully a test drive does not make you an authority.

Come back and make an informed view once you've spent several thousand miles exploring the dynamic envelope.

I have 30k miles in my MK1 and when i took a MK2 for a test drive it just felt more 'grown up'.

The MK2 just made less drama out of a simple drive .

I am pretty sure it would be easier to live with for the average person while still giving the warm fizz when your on a blast though.

The MK1 seems to move around under you more..

the MK2 to me is a early-mid 20's man compared to the young teen MK1.

Saying that...when I come to change cars I will get a MK2 depending on how the MK3 drives when its released.

[Ilovejapcrap]

I've got a mk2 sss in November

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=16...

I love it to bits, almost a year in now and still can't get over how great a car it is, very under rated and a blast to own / drive.

I do wonder how many people saying not as good as mk1 etc have actually owned one for a while rather than had a quick go in one.

I've owned various cars over the years and just can't believe how much enjoyment I get from the little swift. Cannot rate the mk2 highly enougth.

I'd like to see the new one in the flesh but one of the reasons I went for mine was the pure simplicity of it mechanically and the new ones a step away from that for me. Yes I know it's only a turbo and they are on everything now, but it's still something else to go wrong in years to come so to speak.

[ClockworkCupcake]

Ilovejapcrap said:

I do wonder how many people saying not as good as mk1 etc have actually owned one for a while rather than had a quick go in one.

Just to clarify, I for one wasn't saying the MK2 isn't as good as the MK1, I was saying it is very different. The MK2 is a much more grown-up car. I have absolutely no doubt that the MK2 is better to live with every day. The quality of the fit and finish is miles better, the tech and toys are better, it's more comfortable, etc.
The MK1 is terribly basic and plasticky in comparison.

But in gaining all of that, I felt it lost out on the laser sharpness that the MK1 had. The instant throttle response, the dartiness and nimbleness of handling, the fizzy exhuberance of it all.

What you prefer is down to personal choice and preference.

[GT Glee]

ClockworkCupcake said:

But in gaining all of that, I felt it lost out on the laser sharpness that the MK1 had. The instant throttle response, the dartiness and nimbleness of handling, the fizzy exhuberance of it all.

I would agree there is more drama in the mk1 through visceral noise and bump reaction, but the mk2 is more agile through lighter, stiffer shell, lower centre of mass, wider track, stiffer rear axle, and faster steering. It's a matter of physics not fiction, and should not be confused with the way it delivers.

As I posted earlier, there is a very well judged layer of usability, but push on and you will discover just how good the chassis is. I don't think I've driven anything with a tin roof that can yaw like a mk2 and with such composure. You can literally feel the rear axle dancing about and tightening the line. Suzuki delivered what they claimed regarding the setup of the rear torsion beam.

I reiterate, go and drive one properly in order to make an informed view. Don't just spout misleading comments on a public forum based on a test drive!

[ClockworkCupcake]

GT Glee said:

I reiterate, go and drive one properly in order to make an informed view. Don't just spout misleading comments on a public forum based on a test drive!

I think I have qualified my comments sufficiently for them not to be misleading. It was my experience and I have reported it as such. Just because my experience differs from yours doesn't make it uninformed.

If it makes you happy and massages your bruised ego, I will publicly declare that the Mk2 is better than the Mk1 in every possible way, and I was wrong to dare to suggest otherwise and I prostrate myself at the altar of the Mk2 and its One True Prophet. I will now go sell my TVR Sagaris and buy a Mk2 Swift Sport because it is the greatest car ever made in the history of cars.

There. Let's move on now.

[GT Glee]

ClockworkCupcake said:

I think I have qualified my comments sufficiently for them not to be misleading. It was my experience and I have reported it as such. Just because my experience differs from yours doesn't make it uninformed.

If it makes you happy and massages your bruised ego, I will publicly declare that the Mk2 is better than the Mk1 in every possible way, and I was wrong to dare to suggest otherwise and I prostrate myself at the altar of the Mk2 and its One True Prophet. I will now go sell my TVR Sagaris and buy a Mk2 Swift Sport because it is the greatest car ever made in the history of cars.

There. Let's move on now.

Yes, let's move on. But please drop the martyrdom

For the record I do like the mk1 and don't consider it the lesser car... You may notice the distinct lack of blogs defaming it.

Edited by GT Glee on Tuesday 26th September 19:36

[manand38]

Anyone know of the UK release date for the new Sport?

[Mr2Mike]

"Spring 2018" is the closest I've seen it nailed down.

[squareflops]

I had the Ignis Sport and the Swift Sport at around the same time and must say I preferred the Ignis for the pursuit of driving. The Swift was a better car in terms of comfort and interior .. quality, but the Ignis 1.5vvti engine had a great little character and a noticeable switchover point in the lower gears at around 3.5k with bags of lift off oversteer. The Swift was quite a bit more sedate imo. I'd still happily have both again though and still look at Igni for sale to see if I can be tempted..