RE: 2019 Toyota Supra details leaked

[dom1102]

Looks like a BMW Z Series with a huge body kit glued on.... oh wait

[crispyshark]

As a quick poll it wouldn’t be interesting to know how many of those who have declared this ‘gomping’, not relevant etc are those who have ever been interested in Jap performance cars/would be interested in driving a performance jap car? Let’s also bear in mind this is a ‘leak’.

There may be a few, however I’d hazard a guess that most detractors are quite happy to part with their money for a fairly characterless super hatch or similar.

So many complaints about cars that haven’t even been tested or allowed to show their character, worts and all, that once, not too long ago encouraged true fan bases.

Edited by crispyshark on Thursday 15th February 21:51

[Vyse]

That shape of car has never been my type of thing but I do know that car has a lot of fans which is fine by me.

kambites said:

Yeah, they've all been horrible looking things...



Admittedly that was a while ago.

[codieskid]

I got a chance to get some pictures with a 2000GT with my E-type last year, awesome car

[The Surveyor]

crispyshark said:

As a quick poll it wouldn’t be interesting to know how many of those who have declared this ‘gomping’, not relevant etc are those who have ever been interested in Jap performance cars/would be interested in driving a performance jap car? Let’s also bear in mind this is a ‘leak’.

There may be a few, however I’d hazard a guess that most detractors are quite happy to part with their money for a fairly characterless super hatch or similar.

So many complaints about cars that haven’t even been tested or allowed to show their character, worts and all, that once, not to long ago encouraged true fan bases.

Never had a Japanise car because only the current GT86 has looked of interest to me, and at the moment I just couldn't justify the purchase, this new Supra appealed when it was first shown but it now just looked bland and dated. It now just has no appeal for me.

[samoht]

I find the listed dimensions highly unlikely - 8cm shorter wheelbase than the 90s original? Shorter than either Z4 that came before it? So I guess this is an exercise in fantasy to cash in on interest in the Supra, rather than actual intelligence. Certainly the 'image' is clearly just a squished FT-1.

If they actually made the FT-1 I'd be lining up to sign on the dotted line for the monthly payments, but I really doubt it.

[RacerMike]

samoht said:

I find the listed dimensions highly unlikely - 8cm shorter wheelbase than the 90s original? Shorter than either Z4 that came before it? So I guess this is an exercise in fantasy to cash in on interest in the Supra, rather than actual intelligence. Certainly the 'image' is clearly just a squished FT-1.

If they actually made the FT-1 I'd be lining up to sign on the dotted line for the monthly payments, but I really doubt it.

Hope all you want, but I’m pretty certain it will look exactly like the leaked pictures. Have a look at any of the prototype spy shots, and you’ll see it’s considerably shorter than concept....and a lot like the size of the leaked photos...

[StephenGalley]

codieskid said:

I got a chance to get some pictures with a 2000GT with my E-type last year, awesome car

Your E type looks sensational.

[LasseV]

crispyshark said:

As a quick poll it wouldn’t be interesting to know how many of those who have declared this ‘gomping’, not relevant etc are those who have ever been interested in Jap performance cars/would be interested in driving a performance jap car? Let’s also bear in mind this is a ‘leak’.

There may be a few, however I’d hazard a guess that most detractors are quite happy to part with their money for a fairly characterless super hatch or similar.

So many complaints about cars that haven’t even been tested or allowed to show their character, worts and all, that once, not too long ago encouraged true fan bases.

Edited by crispyshark on Thursday 15th February 21:51

Do you remember when GT86 was announced? That was a stfest tbh.

[cramorra]

Interesting car
Wheels and lights have some Lexus styling clues the engine sounds like bmw Toyota will be developing a new downsized turbo v8 vor the lc and gsf in the future would perhaps fir here also
Little chance it ll get the na v8 of the current gen

[ex1]

Talksteer said:

saxy said:

With that amount of HP, there’s no way it can do 0-62mph in 3.8s...

Well, I happen to have written a time step acceleration model which takes into account mass, power curve, and gear ratios.

To get it to go from 0-60 in 3.8 with the available power it needed:

1. 0.2 second reaction time
2. tyres capable of holding traction to 1.07 g
3. a clutch/torque converter that slips to 3000 rpm perfectly in that it transmits torque to the wheels up to the limit of adhesion while keeping the engine high enough in the rev band to supply the required power
4. gear changes of 0.1 seconds
5. 1st gear change at 40mph
6. 2nd gear change at 63mph

In practice the clutch/torque converter/engine/traction balance is likely a long way from perfect. However it probably slips up to a much higher RPM and that the tyres are capable of better than 1.07g linear traction. Obviously I don't have the precise torque curve either. My calcs are just to demonstrate that it is very possible.

For reference if the car had a perfect torque curve where it was always delivering 100% power and had drag slicks capable of 2.5 g acceleration before breaking traction the 0-60 time would be 2.8 seconds.

Edited by Talksteer on Thursday 15th February 19:37

Great post.

[codieskid]

WorldBoss said:

Toyota actually have the ideal platform for a proper Supra successor in the form of the Lexus LC.

Totally agree, I would have been happy with a lighter more sport focused LC, very much like what Toyota did with the Supra/Soarer originally. I've had a quick 10 minute play in photoshop, surely anything is better than the ugly leaked car.





Trev

[Mr Tidy]

kambites said:

Highly likely, I'd say. Which gives the interesting question of what gearbox it gets - will it be ZF8 or DCT?

And will it be RWD or 4WD - 0-60 in <4 seconds would imply 4wd to me unless it comes with very sticky rubber. Even then I'm not sure how possible it is for a car with only just over 200bhp/tonne.

Edited by kambites on Thursday 15th February 14:28

From what I read in Autocar yesterday the initial version will reportedly have the BMW straight 6 turbo engine with 340 bhp and an 8-speed flappy-paddle auto.

There will allegedly be more powerful versions to follow, but why couldn't they make a manual one?

I like how it looks with the "double-bubble" roof like my Z4 Coupe, but I do like 3 pedals!

[crispyshark]

LasseV said:

crispyshark said:

As a quick poll it wouldn’t be interesting to know how many of those who have declared this ‘gomping’, not relevant etc are those who have ever been interested in Jap performance cars/would be interested in driving a performance jap car? Let’s also bear in mind this is a ‘leak’.

There may be a few, however I’d hazard a guess that most detractors are quite happy to part with their money for a fairly characterless super hatch or similar.

So many complaints about cars that haven’t even been tested or allowed to show their character, worts and all, that once, not too long ago encouraged true fan bases.

Edited by crispyshark on Thursday 15th February 21:51

Do you remember when GT86 was announced? That was a stfest tbh.

Did you get a chance chance to drive one? Both on road and track the chassis was good, just needed more power. After market tuners have sorted that.

[jcl]

Looks sweet. If only it could loose 200kg it might drive sweet too.

You gotta love all the people complaining about what this car isn't. If you read what people actually want it more or less perfectly describes something Lotus is currently making. Yet they'll be the first to say that the Exige is dated or some other nonsense.

Edited by jcl on Friday 16th February 06:38

[Paul O]

RacerMike said:

I said it to a few people before this and I’ll say it again. It’ll be/has been GT86’d. Remember how pretty the FT-86 concept was...



I’m afraid it looks to me very much like the leaked images are correct. You only have to see the camo’d VP prototypes to see that there isn’t a hope that it can look like the FT-1 concept.

I loved the look of the FT concept - looked stunning. The GT was a dog's dinner of undesirable appearance.

Really hope they don't do the same with the Supra.

Toyota have made some good looking cars, the MK1 and 2 MR2s were great, and the last Celica looked awesome to my eye. New toyota stuff, not so much. I don't think current Honda and Toyota stuff is really styled to my taste though.

Let's see what comes out! At least they are having a go

[Neith]

crispyshark said:

As a quick poll it wouldn’t be interesting to know how many of those who have declared this ‘gomping’, not relevant etc are those who have ever been interested in Jap performance cars/would be interested in driving a performance jap car? Let’s also bear in mind this is a ‘leak’.

There may be a few, however I’d hazard a guess that most detractors are quite happy to part with their money for a fairly characterless super hatch or similar.

So many complaints about cars that haven’t even been tested or allowed to show their character, worts and all, that once, not too long ago encouraged true fan bases.

Edited by crispyshark on Thursday 15th February 21:51

Can't speak for anyone else but I grew up loving 80s/90s/early 2000s JDM cars. Loved every other generation of Supra and the Mk4 in particular. Until a few years ago I dailyed an imported S15 Silvia. Even as a lover of the occasionally quirky JDM designs I can't bring myself to like this new Supra yet. However, magazine scans can be deceiving so I'll wait until we actually see it without camo for real.

Fingers crossed!

[Too Drunk to Funk]

V10Ace said:

RumbleOfThunder said:

V10Ace said:

RumbleOfThunder said:

There's no way this puts out only 340hp, just like the R35 GTR didn't put out 340hp.

???? What ???? Got you GTR's confused ? Lol

No I haven't. Read again lol.

Currently eating humble pie.... lol

The Nissan has always punched above it's weight. The Supra hasn't. Can't really compare the two.

[Bladedancer]

So over 20 years on Supra gained 10 hp. 330 of the 2JZ GTE to 340 in this.
I wonder how they're going to get 0-60 of the sort they're advertising with that power. This car has to be feather-light.

[crispyshark]

LasseV said:

crispyshark said:

As a quick poll it wouldn’t be interesting to know how many of those who have declared this ‘gomping’, not relevant etc are those who have ever been interested in Jap performance cars/would be interested in driving a performance jap car? Let’s also bear in mind this is a ‘leak’.

There may be a few, however I’d hazard a guess that most detractors are quite happy to part with their money for a fairly characterless super hatch or similar.

So many complaints about cars that haven’t even been tested or allowed to show their character, worts and all, that once, not too long ago encouraged true fan bases.

Edited by crispyshark on Thursday 15th February 21:51

Do you remember when GT86 was announced? That was a stfest tbh.

Did you get a chance chance to drive one? Both on road and track the chassis was good, just needed more power. After market tuners have sorted that.