JLR on 3 day week
Discussion
Shiv_P said:
Digga said:
XE is a really good car IMHO.
With the light, powerful 4 cylinder petrol engines, it feels extremely lively and nimble. I think it looks pretty good too. There just desperately needed to be (at least) and estate option, if not also a 2 door coupe version too, in order for JLR to get the benefit of volume. Also, aside from the crazy (too expensive to sell a lot of) Project 8, there is no 'f
k off' big-engined BMW-M equivalent model.
The interior is really not up to scratch though, especially against the audi a4With the light, powerful 4 cylinder petrol engines, it feels extremely lively and nimble. I think it looks pretty good too. There just desperately needed to be (at least) and estate option, if not also a 2 door coupe version too, in order for JLR to get the benefit of volume. Also, aside from the crazy (too expensive to sell a lot of) Project 8, there is no 'f
k off' big-engined BMW-M equivalent model.I don't think the 'quality' is actually mutch different between all of them. Personally, I don't like the current German 'style' of interior, but that doesn't mean I think those who do are wrong.
As above, XE is missing the performance model. They do go quite well, but not 'mental'. They could have done with doing an XE/S or XE/R with the V6.
Of course, they have stuffed up by dropping the performance XF too. I think it was something to do with an engine deal with Ford coming to an end - and not having the i6 ready (if it ever happens). I know the actual sales of such models was low, but that is what happens with a halo model in the range.
Also, wrt interior, you have to make sure you compare like with like - XF for instance starts at about 30k and (used to) go up to about 70k (with options). Big differences as you go through the range. Basic shapes are the same but the cheaper looking infotainment changes higher up the range, trim materials change too.
The thing that lets JLR down is the reliability... but in my experience this is actually only with the 'toys'. Basic mechanical reliability is fine, but all the add-on complexity and electronics/software is poor.
No ideas for a name said:
As above, XE is missing the performance model. They do go quite well, but not 'mental'. They could have done with doing an XE/S or XE/R with the V6.
Something like...?https://rules.config.jaguar.com/jdx/en_us/xe_k19/3...
TooMany2cvs said:
No ideas for a name said:
As above, XE is missing the performance model. They do go quite well, but not 'mental'. They could have done with doing an XE/S or XE/R with the V6.
Something like...?https://rules.config.jaguar.com/jdx/en_us/xe_k19/3...
No ideas for a name said:
TooMany2cvs said:
No ideas for a name said:
As above, XE is missing the performance model. They do go quite well, but not 'mental'. They could have done with doing an XE/S or XE/R with the V6.
Something like...?https://rules.config.jaguar.com/jdx/en_us/xe_k19/3...
It's not that it's not EU-approved, either...
Sweden - https://rules.config.jaguar.com/jdx/sv_se/xe_k18/3...
It's not that it won't fit with RHD...
Oz - https://rules.config.jaguar.com/jdx/en_au/xe_k18/3...
Maybe they simply don't think it'll sell...?
No ideas for a name said:
TooMany2cvs said:
No ideas for a name said:
As above, XE is missing the performance model. They do go quite well, but not 'mental'. They could have done with doing an XE/S or XE/R with the V6.
Something like...?https://rules.config.jaguar.com/jdx/en_us/xe_k19/3...
ToothbrushMan said:
still on the upside itd be great dropping to 3 days on full pay. time with family holidays or doing a bit of work on the side to build up a rainy day pot.
make hay and all that......
Along with everyone else in CB. Not much casual work about in a small town for a large number of peoplemake hay and all that......
I'd take an XE over the BMW and A4 just to be different and not following the heard. I keep watching the V6 version drop in price, when they falll under 20k i might be tempted.
We are also looking for an F Pace, as it stands its cheaper to buy new than it is used given we want a Portfolio petrol.
We are also looking for an F Pace, as it stands its cheaper to buy new than it is used given we want a Portfolio petrol.
saaby93 said:
Shiv_P said:
Digga said:
XE is a really good car IMHO.
With the light, powerful 4 cylinder petrol engines, it feels extremely lively and nimble. I think it looks pretty good too. There just desperately needed to be (at least) and estate option, if not also a 2 door coupe version too, in order for JLR to get the benefit of volume. Also, aside from the crazy (too expensive to sell a lot of) Project 8, there is no 'fk off' big-engined BMW-M equivalent model.
The interior is really not up to scratch though, especially against the audi a4With the light, powerful 4 cylinder petrol engines, it feels extremely lively and nimble. I think it looks pretty good too. There just desperately needed to be (at least) and estate option, if not also a 2 door coupe version too, in order for JLR to get the benefit of volume. Also, aside from the crazy (too expensive to sell a lot of) Project 8, there is no 'f
k off' big-engined BMW-M equivalent model.Everyone is buying SUVs and 4x4s now, so it makes sense to wind down production of models from which don't fit into that market segment, especially when they are getting towards the end of their lifecycle anyway. Can't imagine JLR are massively fussed about the specifics of UK demand when the bulk of their business is export anyway.
What is getting tiresome on here is the Brexiteers getting stroppy about leaving the EU being blamed for such matters. If you haven't noticed our currency took a massive hit when the vote came in and has not recovered. No-one has the first clue if we are going to get stung on import/export tariffs, if Sterling is going to fall even further in March or what else is going to happen. Whether you like it or not, its having a major effect and will continue to do so. JLR, I believe, was one of the few business to encourage their employees to vote remain as they obviously had a good idea how a leave vote would go. I wouldn't want my business which is mostly export volume to be based in the UK come March, and that was before the Tories made an absolute hash of negotiations!
My sympathies to the several thousand Castle Bromwich workers. Especially the ones that voted remain
What is getting tiresome on here is the Brexiteers getting stroppy about leaving the EU being blamed for such matters. If you haven't noticed our currency took a massive hit when the vote came in and has not recovered. No-one has the first clue if we are going to get stung on import/export tariffs, if Sterling is going to fall even further in March or what else is going to happen. Whether you like it or not, its having a major effect and will continue to do so. JLR, I believe, was one of the few business to encourage their employees to vote remain as they obviously had a good idea how a leave vote would go. I wouldn't want my business which is mostly export volume to be based in the UK come March, and that was before the Tories made an absolute hash of negotiations!
My sympathies to the several thousand Castle Bromwich workers. Especially the ones that voted remain
MrBig said:
Everyone is buying SUVs and 4x4s now, so it makes sense to wind down production of models from which don't fit into that market segment, especially when they are getting towards the end of their lifecycle anyway. Can't imagine JLR are massively fussed about the specifics of UK demand when the bulk of their business is export anyway.
What is getting tiresome on here is the Brexiteers getting stroppy about leaving the EU being blamed for such matters. If you haven't noticed our currency took a massive hit when the vote came in and has not recovered. No-one has the first clue if we are going to get stung on import/export tariffs, if Sterling is going to fall even further in March or what else is going to happen. Whether you like it or not, its having a major effect and will continue to do so. JLR, I believe, was one of the few business to encourage their employees to vote remain as they obviously had a good idea how a leave vote would go. I wouldn't want my business which is mostly export volume to be based in the UK come March, and that was before the Tories made an absolute hash of negotiations!
My sympathies to the several thousand Castle Bromwich workers. Especially the ones that voted remain
The XE and XF are relatively new in production (2015 & 2016 introductions).What is getting tiresome on here is the Brexiteers getting stroppy about leaving the EU being blamed for such matters. If you haven't noticed our currency took a massive hit when the vote came in and has not recovered. No-one has the first clue if we are going to get stung on import/export tariffs, if Sterling is going to fall even further in March or what else is going to happen. Whether you like it or not, its having a major effect and will continue to do so. JLR, I believe, was one of the few business to encourage their employees to vote remain as they obviously had a good idea how a leave vote would go. I wouldn't want my business which is mostly export volume to be based in the UK come March, and that was before the Tories made an absolute hash of negotiations!
My sympathies to the several thousand Castle Bromwich workers. Especially the ones that voted remain
I agree whole heartedly with your comments re. Brexit. I remember there being some resentment from within JLR at the time of the vote that their company was getting involved in a political debate - for the right reasons admittedly - but it got people's backs up.
Putting CB on 3 day working is not unexpected. I'm led to believe the reason why the SUV's are not built there is due to the size of the paint line - they can't accommodate the F-Pace or Velar body shell without a big upgrade - hence why these cars stayed in Solihull.
LDN said:
Threads cannot evolve? It’s on topic because it’s related to perception of JLR in a general sense. Hopefully you’ll get over it!
Funny though. The perception doesn't tall with reality. I wonder why that is? Is it something to do with sad old tired clichés being repeated on the internet?JD Power:
Cold said:
Funny though. The perception doesn't tall with reality. I wonder why that is? Is it something to do with sad old tired clichés being repeated on the internet?
JD Power:
Probably a bit misleading. For example, BMW have more issues than Kia... yes, probably because they have more 'things' that can have an issue.JD Power:
No ideas for a name said:
Probably a bit misleading. For example, BMW have more issues than Kia... yes, probably because they have more 'things' that can have an issue.
That's not a great comfort when your new BMW has slightly fewer than two issues on average, but your missus' new Kia only has less than one.No ideas for a name said:
Probably a bit misleading. For example, BMW have more issues than Kia... yes, probably because they have more 'things' that can have an issue.
People (especially on PH) are more than happy to use such surveys to beat JLR, but oddly find them to be flawed when they don't display a result they were counting on. TooMany2cvs said:
No ideas for a name said:
Probably a bit misleading. For example, BMW have more issues than Kia... yes, probably because they have more 'things' that can have an issue.
That's not a great comfort when your new BMW has slightly fewer than two issues on average, but your missus' new Kia only has less than one.Cold said:
LDN said:
Threads cannot evolve? It’s on topic because it’s related to perception of JLR in a general sense. Hopefully you’ll get over it!
Funny though. The perception doesn't tall with reality. I wonder why that is? Is it something to do with sad old tired clichés being repeated on the internet?JD Power:
So I'm in agreement with you. I was commenting more on the perception of JLR going blingy as we had been mentioning the evolution of the Disco.
Aside from all of that, BMW... wow! Does tally with my uncle who has sworn to never buy anything BMW related ever again. Also, to the chap who said BMW is bottom because they have more to go wrong... were you joking? I'm not sure? Hyudai / Kia are impressive reliability wise; there's a reason they offer such long warranties.
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