Faster than an M5 for £25k

[Wills2]

jakesmith said:

I was on the M6 years ago in my 997 C4S (355BHP). Was going through a 50 zone with what I thought was a 520d on my tail. As soon as I passed the last camera I was in 3rd gear ready to floor it & nailed the throttle & redlined it & same in 4th, the BMW flew by me, I was honestly astonished at how much faster it was than me. Now the 997 isn't that quick by today's turbo standards I know but it really left an impression on me as a devastatingly fast car.

That doesn't surprise me having had a 997.2 C2S and F10 M5, the M5 was biblical above 70mph.

[Magnum 475]

Wills2 said:

jakesmith said:

I was on the M6 years ago in my 997 C4S (355BHP). Was going through a 50 zone with what I thought was a 520d on my tail. As soon as I passed the last camera I was in 3rd gear ready to floor it & nailed the throttle & redlined it & same in 4th, the BMW flew by me, I was honestly astonished at how much faster it was than me. Now the 997 isn't that quick by today's turbo standards I know but it really left an impression on me as a devastatingly fast car.

That doesn't surprise me having had a 997.2 C2S and F10 M5, the M5 was biblical above 70mph.

Slightly different car, but if I want maximum acceleration from 50 in my 987S, I need to be in 2nd, not 3rd. 3rd will have me well below the engine's power band.

[Welshbeef]

Magnum 475 said:

Slightly different car, but if I want maximum acceleration from 50 in my 987S, I need to be in 2nd, not 3rd. 3rd will have me well below the engine's power band.

What’s maximum speed in 1st? Might be worth the shortest fear if sole objective is maximum attack

[Wills2]

Magnum 475 said:

Wills2 said:

jakesmith said:

I was on the M6 years ago in my 997 C4S (355BHP). Was going through a 50 zone with what I thought was a 520d on my tail. As soon as I passed the last camera I was in 3rd gear ready to floor it & nailed the throttle & redlined it & same in 4th, the BMW flew by me, I was honestly astonished at how much faster it was than me. Now the 997 isn't that quick by today's turbo standards I know but it really left an impression on me as a devastatingly fast car.

That doesn't surprise me having had a 997.2 C2S and F10 M5, the M5 was biblical above 70mph.

Slightly different car, but if I want maximum acceleration from 50 in my 987S, I need to be in 2nd, not 3rd. 3rd will have me well below the engine's power band.

Sure, but it wouldn't make any difference to the example given.

[jakesmith]

Magnum 475 said:

Slightly different car, but if I want maximum acceleration from 50 in my 987S, I need to be in 2nd, not 3rd. 3rd will have me well below the engine's power band.

Well it was a 50 zone so I would have been doing 55, top speed in a 3.8 in 2nd gear is 68 so not really worth 2nd gear, you'd lose time with the shift

[Magnum 475]

Welshbeef said:

Magnum 475 said:

Slightly different car, but if I want maximum acceleration from 50 in my 987S, I need to be in 2nd, not 3rd. 3rd will have me well below the engine's power band.

What’s maximum speed in 1st? Might be worth the shortest fear if sole objective is maximum attack

First is good for between 40 and 45, second around 75.

[Magnum 475]

jakesmith said:

Magnum 475 said:

Slightly different car, but if I want maximum acceleration from 50 in my 987S, I need to be in 2nd, not 3rd. 3rd will have me well below the engine's power band.

Well it was a 50 zone so I would have been doing 55, top speed in a 3.8 in 2nd gear is 68 so not really worth 2nd gear, you'd lose time with the shift

Ahh, it's shorter geared - 2nd takes me to around 75.

[Welshbeef]

Magnum 475 said:

Ahh, it's shorter geared - 2nd takes me to around 75.

Ha so legally you can only hit maximum power in 1 Gear that being first .....,

[ZX10R NIN]

Wills2 said:

jakesmith said:

I was on the M6 years ago in my 997 C4S (355BHP). Was going through a 50 zone with what I thought was a 520d on my tail. As soon as I passed the last camera I was in 3rd gear ready to floor it & nailed the throttle & redlined it & same in 4th, the BMW flew by me, I was honestly astonished at how much faster it was than me. Now the 997 isn't that quick by today's turbo standards I know but it really left an impression on me as a devastatingly fast car.

That doesn't surprise me having had a 997.2 C2S and F10 M5, the M5 was biblical above 70mph.

If you think they're fast my upgraded E500 coupe got absolutely decimated by a CL65 from the M6 tolls I pulled 2 car lengths off the tolls (I think his TC was having kittens) after that he came round me & kept pulling until he had 5 car lengths then he rolled off.

I'm not going to mention the numbers but they were big, what a machine I couldn't believe the difference the owner did say it was mapped only over a coffee in the services.

[DanielSan]

V8RX7 said:

I recall the PH Sunday Service at Santa Pod

There was an Audi - IIRC an S3 that had been tuned to 440bhp but that combined with AWD and DSG meant it was one of / the fastest thing there - it beat many Ferraris etc

Obviously it's ingear / top speed would be less impressive but the way it consistently launched every time was impressive.

I remember that, it was doing 11.6/11.7 1/4's all day with no fuss at all. Having since been in a friends old mapped S3, after the launch it's a bit boring.

[Smokey32]

N54 335i. 550bhp easily with some upgraded turbos and other bits and bobs. Would have a stock M5 no probs.

[Packrats]

Can it have 2 wheels.if so under 25k would be easy

[Welshbeef]

ZX10R NIN said:

If you think they're fast my upgraded E500 coupe got absolutely decimated by a CL65 from the M6 tolls I pulled 2 car lengths off the tolls (I think his TC was having kittens) after that he came round me & kept pulling until he had 5 car lengths then he rolled off.

I'm not going to mention the numbers but they were big, what a machine I couldn't believe the difference the owner did say it was mapped only over a coffee in the services.

Those v12 Bi turbos are insane - imagine with straight pipes

[jakesmith]

Smokey32 said:

N54 335i. 550bhp easily with some upgraded turbos and other bits and bobs. Would have a stock M5 no probs.

Really? I can't picture it.
Mind you I saw an E46 M3 for sale on M3 cutters with a turbo kit & lots of bits & bobs for £25k a couple of years ago, seller claimed a faster 50-150MPH time than an Enzo Ferarri

[Wills2]

ZX10R NIN said:

If you think they're fast my upgraded E500 coupe got absolutely decimated by a CL65 from the M6 tolls I pulled 2 car lengths off the tolls (I think his TC was having kittens) after that he came round me & kept pulling until he had 5 car lengths then he rolled off.

I'm not going to mention the numbers but they were big, what a machine I couldn't believe the difference the owner did say it was mapped only over a coffee in the services.

The M5 was quick enough for me sold it after a year and 30,000 miles as I was going to lose my licence, only a matter of time.

[Wills2]

Welshbeef said:

Magnum 475 said:

Slightly different car, but if I want maximum acceleration from 50 in my 987S, I need to be in 2nd, not 3rd. 3rd will have me well below the engine's power band.

What’s maximum speed in 1st? Might be worth the shortest fear if sole objective is maximum attack

maximum attack in car that takes (987S) 35 seconds to 150mph makes no difference against a car capable of hitting 150 in 18 seconds.....the M5 could have been 4th...

[Welshbeef]

Wills2 said:

maximum attack in car that takes (987S) 35 seconds to 150mph makes no difference against a car capable of hitting 150 in 18 seconds.....the M5 could have been 4th...

Jesus I didn’t realise the delta was so large given the other is a great and fast sports car itself.

What was not to like about the F10 M5 CP? It really sounds like a madman car but reliable

[Slow]

The lack of maintaining your licence for any length of time is the drawback.

[Welshbeef]

Slow said:

The lack of maintaining your licence for any length of time is the drawback.

There was an article in Autocar recently - what’s the point of a supercar on the roads?

Firstly you can only enjoy max acceleration for 3 seconds 0-60. Sure 0-70mph for a few more tenths is physically possible but no one would do such a thing on a motorway.

Basically the pleasure of driving it at 10/10th heck even 2/10ths is gone.
You can drive more 60mph roads in the most basic of cars at 60mph constantly a supercar would add nothing to that experience.
So it’s looks and blipping the throttle for noise - a bit like those Arabs do in London just v rpm max cars in stationary traffic - great to see and on YouTube but I’d not wanting to be doing that to my own P&J.

So it goes to Track days—- who would be giving 10/10ths on a track with hundreds of thousands of pounds at risk? Most people would have infinitely more fun in a Clio Sport or a Caterham.

So modern supercars are pointless - but also wonderful.


F10 M5 has Jag XJ220 bhp++ supercar pier in a family saloon.

[Mike335i]

As said twice already, I reckon £15k for a 2009 XFR with about 510hp and modify from there.

But the point made about not being able to use the power legally is also true I'm thinking the better question is what makes the best noise and feels fastest, whilst being useable as a mostly reliable daily, for less than £25k.