RE: McLaren GT | Driven
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McLaren really seem to have lost their way. No real long term strategy to their different models, just the same carbon tub and engine regurgitated. This should have been a 4 seat GT car. They need a £100k entry level model competing with the 911 and then the 720 replacement, and the hyper car above that. Preferably all with bespoke engines.
DMC2 said:
McLaren really seem to have lost their way. No real long term strategy to their different models, just the same carbon tub and engine regurgitated. This should have been a 4 seat GT car. They need a £100k entry level model competing with the 911 and then the 720 replacement, and the hyper car above that. Preferably all with bespoke engines.
I agree but they're too small to create bespoke engines.Ferrari for instance evolve their V8s and V12s and add turbos and/or hybrid tech rather than start from scratch. Even BMW evolved their 4.4 twin turbo V8 from the F10 M5 to the F90 M5. The VW/Audi group have kept the 4.0 twin turbo V8 since 2010 and evolved in to suit various Audis, Porsches, Bentleys and Lamborghinis.
Mclaren should just bore out the engines (as simplified as that sounds) and give different crank/turbo/hyrbid setups to each one to produce different engine characters.
SturdyHSV said:
"And if you're resorting to a two-letter soubriquet so route one it makes hoofing the ball from deep inside your own half towards the opposition's box seem like intricate play...."
I just tried reading the article, but gave up after the third paragraph and pulled the Ibuprofen out. You know an article is dreadful when it gives you a migraine.
How is it possible to make prose so much hard work to read?! That's not 'motoring journalism'.
ghuk said:
Interesting review of the GT. Definitely worth a watch..............
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ5Zkc9H-M0
Great video, thanks.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ5Zkc9H-M0
The autonomous cruise is an interesting point, I’m sure the development costs are massive but Volvo managed it without the massive group wide capability of the Germans.
Seems a critical bit of tech for a car designed to cover continents. Having driven from the top of Skye to London over 13 hours it’s a game changer between the A roads.
Separately whilst I appreciate the engine is getting spread broadly across models I believe it’s roots are in the R390 and Le Mans, which is pretty cool in my eyes for a firm that had to start from scratch in that department.
Edited by Repent on Tuesday 17th September 23:03
Just watched Carwow Mat Watson review for this..
There was already a nasty cut/scuff on the leather bound door sill - doesn't seem like interior will age well...a bit like 2006 AM V8s (seriously, go look at them)
Parking brake packed up with warning light.
Smart-phone-like screen froze on sat-nav.
Looks way too long and oddly proportioned / no real wheel arch bulges.
Fantastic.
There was already a nasty cut/scuff on the leather bound door sill - doesn't seem like interior will age well...a bit like 2006 AM V8s (seriously, go look at them)
Parking brake packed up with warning light.
Smart-phone-like screen froze on sat-nav.
Looks way too long and oddly proportioned / no real wheel arch bulges.
Fantastic.
I think PH must have a huge stockpile of articles from fiverr.com, and they just get one out and add a few lines from the manufacturer's press release each time a new car is launched (or "teased".)
They're usually just gibberish and clearly not written by anyone who's ever been to England.
Imagine what a teacher would say if a kid handed this in to be marked
They're usually just gibberish and clearly not written by anyone who's ever been to England.
Imagine what a teacher would say if a kid handed this in to be marked
Kermit74 said:
E65Ross said:
Kermit74 said:
Another 'new' McLaren using the same tub and drivetrain that every other McLaren uses?
I guess the P1 engine was different though?
Please correct me if i'm wrong.
You're wrong. HTH.I guess the P1 engine was different though?
Please correct me if i'm wrong.
Also, maybe McLaren should go and poach some of the top Porsche designers so they can come up with lots of different new McLaren body styles so their range doesn't look so similar for years on end....
McLaren need to get braver with their designs, rather than just churn out V8 turbo, mid-engine wedge, after V8 turbo, mid-engine wedge.
The quality of the engineering and the huge performance become almost irrelevant, if the cars become so anonymous, and barely identifiable from one another in isolation, by all but the most diehard enthusiasts.
Even keeping the standard mid-engine architecture, this could have been a brave shooting brake maybe?
The quality of the engineering and the huge performance become almost irrelevant, if the cars become so anonymous, and barely identifiable from one another in isolation, by all but the most diehard enthusiasts.
Even keeping the standard mid-engine architecture, this could have been a brave shooting brake maybe?
Equilibrium said:
E65Ross said:
MikeGoodwin said:
Woking as in the entire town? Not McLaren themselves but all of Woking ??? Get a grip. Who proofs these articles?
Tired of reading about how Dieppe did this or hethel did that.
You're not the only one.Tired of reading about how Dieppe did this or hethel did that.
Quit looking for things to be annoyed by. We all know what's mean when "Woking" is mentioned.
When McLaren decided to go mainstream I thought we may end up with an old school Porsche approach, but with modern tech. Ie, to focus building one model, then slowly evolve it into near perfection. Basically, ensure every single detail was as good as it could be. Create an icon. Follow the 911 ethos.
Sadly that wasn't the case. It's now rush them out the door. Come out with as many random ideas as possible. Ugly track cars, impractical GTs, stupidly swoopy fronts lashed on. Its a mess quite frankly. How Ron sleeps at night with his alleged ocd is beyond me. Maybe he gave up and went to obsess over floor tiles instead.
Oh well, same as all the others I guess. Roll out new models before the previous ones have been delivered.
Sadly that wasn't the case. It's now rush them out the door. Come out with as many random ideas as possible. Ugly track cars, impractical GTs, stupidly swoopy fronts lashed on. Its a mess quite frankly. How Ron sleeps at night with his alleged ocd is beyond me. Maybe he gave up and went to obsess over floor tiles instead.
Oh well, same as all the others I guess. Roll out new models before the previous ones have been delivered.
Edited by Kubevoid on Wednesday 18th September 09:12
Kermit74 said:
E65Ross said:
Kermit74 said:
Another 'new' McLaren using the same tub and drivetrain that every other McLaren uses?
I guess the P1 engine was different though?
Please correct me if i'm wrong.
You're wrong. HTH.I guess the P1 engine was different though?
Please correct me if i'm wrong.
Its Just Adz said:
I don't get it.
Looks just like every other model (P1 and 720 excluded), yet is a bit worse.
Yeah I know what you mean. It's not like most Porsches look similar. Or Lamborghinis, or Ferraris, or Mercs, or BMWs, Audis, Volvos.....it's almost as if manufacturers have a design language and try to apply that to most of their cars isn't it.Looks just like every other model (P1 and 720 excluded), yet is a bit worse.
V8 FOU said:
MikeGoodwin said:
Woking as in the entire town? Not McLaren themselves but all of Woking ??? Get a grip. Who proofs these articles?
Tired of reading about how Dieppe did this or hethel did that.
Indeed. Pathetic reportage.Tired of reading about how Dieppe did this or hethel did that.
It is typical to refer to an office branch or head office by the town or locale itself, be that of vehicle manufacture or any other commercial organisation.
There is no call to take a literal stance on the language here when the inference is clear - you clearly knew what they meant. Even though it is a style of writing which some may hold to be a little pretentious.
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