RE: Lotus gears up for new sports car launch
Discussion
TdM-GTV said:
But the sill in the Evora 400 on isn't actually wide or tall and is quite easy to climb over so I'm not convinced that's true.
The Evora isn't based on the M111 chassis, which is what I was referring to. A previous poster suggested that there was nothing wrong with the M111 chassis. My point was that in terms of sales growth, there's everything wrong with it. It produces cars that are great to drive but which are, for most, too much like hard work. The Evora chassis is completely unrelated to the M111 chassis, other than in its use of Aluminium. It can and does provide the basis for a far more useable car.
TdM-GTV said:
I also don't really understand the cramped comment. Again, perhaps before the 400 the pedal box was cramped but not anymore.
Again, reference to the M111 cars being cramped. Not the Evora.Edited by HeMightBeBanned on Friday 22 January 10:33
HeMightBeBanned said:
Again, reference to the M111 cars being cramped. Not the Evora.
The 111 is just the S1 Elise's chassis.Edited by HeMightBeBanned on Friday 22 January 10:33
If you're talking S2 elise, it would be an M117 or M120 depending on year, an Exige V6/Sport 350 would be M138.
(NB: wikipedia is wrong).
There have been many variants. Calling everything elise-esque M111 is just wrong.
budgie smuggler said:
please be good please be good please be good
But not *too* good... otherwise they'll jack up the prices and second hard market will be too strong for many of us!We want just good enough to sustain their output level, but not fuel delusions of being Porsche. We want it to fail to meet the levels of Porsche in various ways, but make up for it in others such that it just pushes it slightly off to the side of semi-niche.
All they really need to do is take the Evora tub and fix a slightly higher quality body to it (think panel gaps, the paintwork and carbon fibre parts are already superb), and add bang up to date interior tech. No reason why it should weigh any more with up to date tech added. Maybe electric seats will add a few Kg.
Evoras are already class leading in terms of handling and ride, and pretty impressive in terms of NVH as well. The fact it is 10 years old is irrelevant.
That is the car I am hoping for :-)
I do worry that the more focused cars (Elise, Exige) will disappear though, and not be replaced...
Evoras are already class leading in terms of handling and ride, and pretty impressive in terms of NVH as well. The fact it is 10 years old is irrelevant.
That is the car I am hoping for :-)
I do worry that the more focused cars (Elise, Exige) will disappear though, and not be replaced...
CraigyMc said:
jerrytlr said:
I do worry that the more focused cars (Elise, Exige) will disappear though, and not be replaced...
I'd be okay with that. I have a V6 exige and it's already gone up in value about £5K in the last 18 months.Paul_M3 said:
I'm seriously considering getting an Exige in the next few months. It might actually end up being a sensible purchase financially!
I wouldn't go as far as to say that mine has made any money - they still take looking after and I've done some stuff to mine (had it converted to allow a soft-top, for example). Tyres aren't cheap (my car now runs on Michelin Pilot Cup 2's in a slightly different shape than the 410 uses). Road tax is pricey (>£500).Still, it's more or less free based on appreciation versus costs, and I get to drive a pretty lovely (to me) car. The steering is awesome, the engine manages to sound nice despite its relatively dowdy history (camry).
I just need to stop myself from bumping the supercharger up to a TVS1900 and chasing 500bhp really.
DonkeyApple said:
SidewaysSi said:
My Elise has more than doubled in value. If they stop the lightweight cars, I may retire... 
Or the value of the currency that you're comparing it against has slumped. 
La la la - I can't hear you. It has cost me nothing gov and this time next year..
But in reality of course I have chucked a s
tload of cash at the thing and would probably be far from breaking even but we don't let little details like that get in the way.SidewaysSi said:
DonkeyApple said:
SidewaysSi said:
My Elise has more than doubled in value. If they stop the lightweight cars, I may retire...
Or the value of the currency that you're comparing it against has slumped. La la la - I can't hear you. It has cost me nothing gov and this time next year..
But in reality of course I have chucked a s
tload of cash at the thing and would probably be far from breaking even but we don't let little details like that get in the way.
CraigyMc said:
I'd be okay with that. I have a V6 exige and it's already gone up in value about £5K in the last 18 months.
I’ve been keeping my eye out on these and to my frustration you appear to be right.All the cheaper ones have disappeared. COVID seems to have resulted in people holding on to them and the only available ones seem to have gone up. 😢
Greg the Fish said:
Ryvita said:
Finally indeed. There's been radio silence about the new model since it was first announced as the Type 131 in autumn last year. Interesting to see if it picks up a currently unused pre-existing name - Elan, Elite, Europa, Eclat, Esprit, Excel, or something new.
If only we could guess what the first letter was going to be. Given it's to be the last internal combustion... might I humbly suggest the Lotus Elegy?
I've heard from a good source that it's going to be called the Edna.If only we could guess what the first letter was going to be. Given it's to be the last internal combustion... might I humbly suggest the Lotus Elegy?
Edited by Ryvita on Thursday 21st January 15:04
Getting rather old but everyone loves her.
Dimski said:
I’ve been keeping my eye out on these and to my frustration you appear to be right.
All the cheaper ones have disappeared. COVID seems to have resulted in people holding on to them and the only available ones seem to have gone up. ??
beyond covid people are realising that light driver's cars aren't coming back, and so in a very real sense they're becoming keepers. The new Lotus will raise s/h prices more by creating interest around the brand, and low sales over last 15 yrs means limited supply. a Lotus is the perfect complement to your Tesla. As 2030 approaches i think more people will add a legacy car to their garage - Lotus, MX5, Caterham. some of the larger sports cars might be seen as socially less acceptable.All the cheaper ones have disappeared. COVID seems to have resulted in people holding on to them and the only available ones seem to have gone up. ??
CraigyMc said:
The 111 is just the S1 Elise's chassis.
If you're talking S2 elise, it would be an M117 or M120 depending on year, an Exige V6/Sport 350 would be M138.
(NB: wikipedia is wrong).
There have been many variants. Calling everything elise-esque M111 is just wrong.
No it's not. You're being pedantic over Lotus model numbers. The chassis in the S1 Elise (Lotus M111), S2 Elise, S2 Exige, S3 Elise, V6 Exige is basically the same. If you're talking S2 elise, it would be an M117 or M120 depending on year, an Exige V6/Sport 350 would be M138.
(NB: wikipedia is wrong).
There have been many variants. Calling everything elise-esque M111 is just wrong.
The ones that came after the S1 Elise/Exige have slightly lowered sills but otherwise they're all the same. It's the same fundamental architecture, the same basic dimensions and delivers a great drive with significant usability compromises across all of them. The biggest difference is in the design of the rear subframes to accommodate the various different engines from Rover, Toyota and Vauxhall (VX220 and Lotus Europa), and the dimensions of the wishbones bolted to the chassis.
HeMightBeBanned said:
CraigyMc said:
The 111 is just the S1 Elise's chassis.
If you're talking S2 elise, it would be an M117 or M120 depending on year, an Exige V6/Sport 350 would be M138.
(NB: wikipedia is wrong).
There have been many variants. Calling everything elise-esque M111 is just wrong.
No it's not. You're being pedantic over Lotus model numbers. The chassis in the S1 Elise (Lotus M111), S2 Elise, S2 Exige, S3 Elise, V6 Exige is basically the same. If you're talking S2 elise, it would be an M117 or M120 depending on year, an Exige V6/Sport 350 would be M138.
(NB: wikipedia is wrong).
There have been many variants. Calling everything elise-esque M111 is just wrong.
The ones that came after the S1 Elise/Exige have slightly lowered sills but otherwise they're all the same. It's the same fundamental architecture, the same basic dimensions and delivers a great drive with significant usability compromises across all of them. The biggest difference is in the design of the rear subframes to accommodate the various different engines from Rover, Toyota and Vauxhall (VX220 and Lotus Europa), and the dimensions of the wishbones bolted to the chassis.
rrrright.
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