Tyres - How important are they to you
Discussion
Cliffe60 said:
I agree, but how p1ssed of will you be when you stop in 20 metres with your expensive Michelins when the shed behind takes 50 metres on Linglongs and ploughs into the back of you?
You can't control other cars beyond good anticipation skills that allow you escape room if you see the Linglongs looming ever larger in your rear view mirror. Some advanced driver training will help you here but it won't always protect you from others. I'd rather see someone else's No Claim Discount go than my own. Good winter tyres will increase the odds of a rear end shunt in cold weather but that does not stop me from fitting them to my own car!
aka_kerrly said:
Haha.
Everyone should read the ADAC tests on AutoBild for proper testing with numerical values as well as subjective handling feel/tyre behaviour comments to.
The difference between the good and the bad especially in wet braking tests can be staggering even at 50mph... If people considered the 10-25m difference in terms of car lengths it's easier to appreciate how on one set of tyres you would have stopped, where as on s
t tyres you'd have 3-4 car lengths more stopping distance which is very likely the difference between smashing into the back of someone and not.
I do read a lot of those tests and it’s always interesting how often the test results conflict with peoples experience on threads like these with regards to tyre makes and types Everyone should read the ADAC tests on AutoBild for proper testing with numerical values as well as subjective handling feel/tyre behaviour comments to.
The difference between the good and the bad especially in wet braking tests can be staggering even at 50mph... If people considered the 10-25m difference in terms of car lengths it's easier to appreciate how on one set of tyres you would have stopped, where as on s
t tyres you'd have 3-4 car lengths more stopping distance which is very likely the difference between smashing into the back of someone and not.my cars aren't supercars, had a a few hot hatches and no issues with budget tyres.
Tried premium brands, never really noticed much difference in normal driving, no into ditch moments. i think for no ''progress'' cars no really issues, but cost wise they don't last as long as premium cars,
Tried premium brands, never really noticed much difference in normal driving, no into ditch moments. i think for no ''progress'' cars no really issues, but cost wise they don't last as long as premium cars,
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 12th June 14:28
I used to ride bikes, I enjoy driving quickly and I can afford to buy good tyres so yes, they are important to me and I buy high performance premium brand tyres. I shop for the best price though.
It is possible to get some very good mid-range tyres, it does depend what you are after and may need to compromise somewhere, great grip, but poor wear, great wet performance, but rather noisy, etc. Many, many years ago I used to put yokohama tyres on my first car, they were sticky, but lasted less than 8000 miles. You might find the performance model from a mid-range brand is better value to you than an everyday model from a premium brand.
It is possible to get some very good mid-range tyres, it does depend what you are after and may need to compromise somewhere, great grip, but poor wear, great wet performance, but rather noisy, etc. Many, many years ago I used to put yokohama tyres on my first car, they were sticky, but lasted less than 8000 miles. You might find the performance model from a mid-range brand is better value to you than an everyday model from a premium brand.
Tye Green said:
the naivety of some folk is surprising.
do those tyre reviews test YOUR car? NO - I didn't read the long one one of those linked to above but the first one doesn't even mention which car it is ffs...
those tyre reviews are a marketing tool and sponsored by branded manufacturers to help maintain their ability to maintain prices. they hire outfits to 'test tyres' and chuck a few unknown brands in which are obviously given a st review and then hope that others will refer to the reviews as evidence that expensive brands are worth the extra cost.
the marketing tactic is designed so that it gains traction when a car enthusiast's forum has an 'are expensive tyres worth it' thread and we see e.g. "that's your only contact with the road - buy the best [=most expensive]" posts and the unwitting are used to promulgate the marketing message by linking to the sponsored reviews. ironically, its those who revert to the strongest language "have you had your head in the sand" etc who are their best messengers...
there are more than 100 brands of tyres available in the uk and even if the tyre reviews were genuine and the 2 cheap brands in the review were indeed crap, how does that show that ALL cheaper brands are are poor?
I'm not advocating cheap I'm seeking evidence that expensive brands are always better.
Manufacturers want a 'one-spec-of-tyre-for-all' solution and choose the tyre which they deem most suitable for the average prospective buyer across all markets but that tyre would typically be useless if the car was used solely in winter in a ski resort and less than ideal in Dubai.
In both cases there will be cheaper brands which perform better under those specific conditions than those fitted by the manufacturer.
Many have posted their preference for their car for their usage which in many cases differs from the manufacturers choice and that information is very helpful. However, it doesn't tell us that well known brands are ALL 'better' than ALL, or even ANY cheaper brands unless that person has also tried other brands.
As I said earlier, if anyone has any reliable evidence regarding cheaper brands please post it up
FFS we've got a live one here!!!do those tyre reviews test YOUR car? NO - I didn't read the long one one of those linked to above but the first one doesn't even mention which car it is ffs...
those tyre reviews are a marketing tool and sponsored by branded manufacturers to help maintain their ability to maintain prices. they hire outfits to 'test tyres' and chuck a few unknown brands in which are obviously given a s
t review and then hope that others will refer to the reviews as evidence that expensive brands are worth the extra cost.the marketing tactic is designed so that it gains traction when a car enthusiast's forum has an 'are expensive tyres worth it' thread and we see e.g. "that's your only contact with the road - buy the best [=most expensive]" posts and the unwitting are used to promulgate the marketing message by linking to the sponsored reviews. ironically, its those who revert to the strongest language "have you had your head in the sand" etc who are their best messengers...
there are more than 100 brands of tyres available in the uk and even if the tyre reviews were genuine and the 2 cheap brands in the review were indeed crap, how does that show that ALL cheaper brands are are poor?
I'm not advocating cheap I'm seeking evidence that expensive brands are always better.
Manufacturers want a 'one-spec-of-tyre-for-all' solution and choose the tyre which they deem most suitable for the average prospective buyer across all markets but that tyre would typically be useless if the car was used solely in winter in a ski resort and less than ideal in Dubai.
In both cases there will be cheaper brands which perform better under those specific conditions than those fitted by the manufacturer.
Many have posted their preference for their car for their usage which in many cases differs from the manufacturers choice and that information is very helpful. However, it doesn't tell us that well known brands are ALL 'better' than ALL, or even ANY cheaper brands unless that person has also tried other brands.
As I said earlier, if anyone has any reliable evidence regarding cheaper brands please post it up
I have a mk1 mx5 which has toyo r1s on it. It doesn't do much mileage at all these days. Good tyres and the car feels well planted and right on them.
I also have a dacia logan mcv estate car. Its a very useful car. Its probably the most boring, unengaging and anodyne driving experience available out there. Its pretty much got all f1 auto centre own brand tyres on it, all of which cost about 40 quid each.
Funnily enough, I had to do a very, very quick emergency stop on the a12 the other day, in the rain. It was my fault, I should have really been paying attention to how long the lights had been green for, and it can get a bit hairy when its a 50 mph road, and the lights have a camera on them, so there is absolutely no chancing it. Anyway I had to go from 50ish to a stop pretty briskly, and I was amazed how well the car handled it. No shaking about, no skidding, and it all felt predictable and safe. I was pretty impressed with the tyres I have to say, and they are presumably regarded by most people here as nothing more than ditchfinders.
I also have a dacia logan mcv estate car. Its a very useful car. Its probably the most boring, unengaging and anodyne driving experience available out there. Its pretty much got all f1 auto centre own brand tyres on it, all of which cost about 40 quid each.
Funnily enough, I had to do a very, very quick emergency stop on the a12 the other day, in the rain. It was my fault, I should have really been paying attention to how long the lights had been green for, and it can get a bit hairy when its a 50 mph road, and the lights have a camera on them, so there is absolutely no chancing it. Anyway I had to go from 50ish to a stop pretty briskly, and I was amazed how well the car handled it. No shaking about, no skidding, and it all felt predictable and safe. I was pretty impressed with the tyres I have to say, and they are presumably regarded by most people here as nothing more than ditchfinders.
Edited by princeperch on Saturday 12th June 14:53
Cliffe60 said:
I agree, but how p1ssed of will you be when you stop in 20 metres with your expensive Michelins when the shed behind takes 50 metres on Linglongs and ploughs into the back of you?
Well you can always chose to stop in a longer distance if it's safer to do so. If you've got crap tyres on however, the choice has been made for you.
‘Big tyre’, in cahoots with ADAC, Autoexpress, Autobild, Evo and all other independent organisations carrying out and publishing tyre tests, conspire to hoodwink us all into believing that tyres at different price points, of different origins and of different tread designs, constructions and materials, have subjective as well as measurable and objective differences in performance!
Return next week to hear how there is NO EVIDENCE that the oblique spheroid earth ‘theory’ is in fact true!
Return next week to hear how there is NO EVIDENCE that the oblique spheroid earth ‘theory’ is in fact true!
kalniel said:
Cliffe60 said:
I agree, but how p1ssed of will you be when you stop in 20 metres with your expensive Michelins when the shed behind takes 50 metres on Linglongs and ploughs into the back of you?
Well you can always chose to stop in a longer distance if it's safer to do so. If you've got crap tyres on however, the choice has been made for you.Some budget tyres can be good.
Very rare to get premium or mid range tyres that performance as bad a typical budget tyre.
There is often an overlap in performance between top budget and worst mid range tyres and worst premium and best mid range tyres.
I trust a randomly selected mid range or premium tyre.
I definitely would not trust a randomly selected budget tyre.
When ever I've looked for the budget tyres that have reviewed well I have never been able to find them.
I usually pick a mid or premium tyre based on best value for combination of grip and wear.
A shout out to Jon for his excellent tyresreviews.co.uk website for collating the data available to make tyre choice easier.
Very rare to get premium or mid range tyres that performance as bad a typical budget tyre.
There is often an overlap in performance between top budget and worst mid range tyres and worst premium and best mid range tyres.
I trust a randomly selected mid range or premium tyre.
I definitely would not trust a randomly selected budget tyre.
When ever I've looked for the budget tyres that have reviewed well I have never been able to find them.
I usually pick a mid or premium tyre based on best value for combination of grip and wear.
A shout out to Jon for his excellent tyresreviews.co.uk website for collating the data available to make tyre choice easier.
Pica-Pica said:
HustleRussell said:
Pica-Pica said:
A nine year car with no ABS. Explain.
Where did you get nine years old from? Explain. Sn1ckers said:
Pica-Pica said:
HustleRussell said:
Pica-Pica said:
A nine year car with no ABS. Explain.
Where did you get nine years old from? Explain. wyson said:
RDMcG said:
I buy the OEM tires and so burn through some of them quickly on track days. My assumption is that the manufacturers know what is optimal for the vehicle. I replace all four tires each time.
Tyrereviews did a test on a BMW M car, OE Michelin Pilot Sport 4S * compared to aftermarket off the peg Michelin Pilot Sport 4S. The OE tyre was modified by BMW and Michelin working together and was superior. wyson said:
RDMcG said:
I buy the OEM tires and so burn through some of them quickly on track days. My assumption is that the manufacturers know what is optimal for the vehicle. I replace all four tires each time.
Tyrereviews did a test on a BMW M car, OE Michelin Pilot Sport 4S * compared to aftermarket off the peg Michelin Pilot Sport 4S. The OE tyre was modified by BMW and Michelin working together and was superior. Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff