RE: Longhaul, Jogger-class | PH Footnote

[shih tzu faced]

S600BSB said:

Think it's also to do with pedestrian protection etc. Plenty of cars manage a 4 or even 5 star rating. 1 star is just not good enough. Need to try harder.

Fair enough, point taken. Different people different priorities I guess.

Pedestrian safety wouldn’t be a big concern for me with a car like this to be honest. That’s not meant to sound selfish, I mean something like a Dodge Ram looks like it would cause massive damage to a pedestrian just by looking at it the wrong way. But any normal ‘car shaped’ car such as the Jogger I’d imagine they’d all be similarly painful if you got run over by one.

[What The Deuces]

Truckosaurus said:

hairykrishna said:

...My wife has a 10+ year old XC90 and obviously all the on board nav etc is st, the stereo is ace but doesn't interact with modern music streaming...

I solved this problem in my ancient Lexus by investing 20-quid in a decent Bluetooth dongle that plugs into the AUX socket, works better than a lot of built in bluetooth connections I've used on rental cars.

My iPhone streams perfectly through my 2013 xc90 stereo.

What phone are you using ?

[James6112]

I was tempted pre-launch & paid the £99 refundable deposit to get first dibs & 2 free services.
But wasn’t impressed enough to buy one. Sure it’s a good ‘cheap’ car. But so is my 8 year old Skoda, so i’ll keep it until it dies!
Getting the £99 back was harder than it should have been though. Took a few calls & weeks..

[hairykrishna]

What The Deuces said:

My iPhone streams perfectly through my 2013 xc90 stereo.

What phone are you using ?

It's a few years older than yours so it has no phone connectivity.

[Blakewater]

It looks better than the Renault based Mercedes T Class which looks to be basically the same car, but less soft roaderish.

https://www.netcarshow.com/mercedes-benz/2023-t-cl...

[HTP99]

Blakewater said:

It looks better than the Renault based Mercedes T Class which looks to be basically the same car, but less soft roaderish.

https://www.netcarshow.com/mercedes-benz/2023-t-cl...

Looks like that is based on the new Kangoo.

[Digga]

HTP99 said:

Blakewater said:

It looks better than the Renault based Mercedes T Class which looks to be basically the same car, but less soft roaderish.

https://www.netcarshow.com/mercedes-benz/2023-t-cl...

Looks like that is based on the new Kangoo.

Likely the Dacia is also based on something Renault too.

I note, among the sensible, perennial, all-weather dog walkers locally, Dacia is rapidly gaining popularity as a dog taxi.

[What The Deuces]

hairykrishna said:

It's a few years older than yours so it has no phone connectivity.

Soz, I misread 10+ as 10


Try something like a blackberry gateway or similar to feed bluetooth into the aux socket, or get a Parrot or other car kit installed.

[HTP99]

Digga said:

HTP99 said:

Blakewater said:

It looks better than the Renault based Mercedes T Class which looks to be basically the same car, but less soft roaderish.

https://www.netcarshow.com/mercedes-benz/2023-t-cl...

Looks like that is based on the new Kangoo.

Likely the Dacia is also based on something Renault too.

I note, among the sensible, perennial, all-weather dog walkers locally, Dacia is rapidly gaining popularity as a dog taxi.

Yep the platform the Jogger is on is based on the platform that the Clio, Captur and Arkana use, there are many variations of this platform, the new Kangoo uses a version too, looks like they are subtly different versions of the one type, the CMF-B platform

[dhutch]

James6112 said:

I was tempted pre-launch & paid the £99 refundable deposit to get first dibs & 2 free services.
But wasn’t impressed enough to buy one. Sure it’s a good ‘cheap’ car. But so is my 8 year old Skoda, so i’ll keep it until it dies!
Getting the £99 back was harder than it should have been though. Took a few calls & weeks..

This is it for me.

I can completely see why for a non-car person, or anyone who cares less about what they drive than being able to drive it without ever thinking about it, it's a cheap new under warranty lease type sub contracted option.

However if I had a choice of driving my sister-in-laws 1yo Dacia Stepway or our 58plate Fiesta with 130k on the clock, the latter wins hands down and can be bought outright in cash for less then the deposit or a years monthly payments on the Dacia and the odd few little niggles it's had for being 12yo have been trivial in both importance and ease of having rectified.

[Back2theFuji]

dhutch said:

This is it for me.

I can completely see why for a non-car person, or anyone who cares less about what they drive than being able to drive it without ever thinking about it, it's a cheap new under warranty lease type sub contracted option.

However if I had a choice of driving my sister-in-laws 1yo Dacia Stepway or our 58plate Fiesta with 130k on the clock, the latter wins hands down and can be bought outright in cash for less then the deposit or a years monthly payments on the Dacia and the odd few little niggles it's had for being 12yo have been trivial in both importance and ease of having rectified.

Just to counter, I need a car which can carry a family of 5 with 3 car seats. Nothing comes close to this cost wise. Equally, I've spent £4500 in repairs to keep a 61 plate Verso on the road over the last 4 years (DPF, injectors, turbo clean out, heater matrix, horn). At one point the car failed completely on the motorway (injector failure), no limp mode, had to glide into roadworks and bail the sproggs out. Happened again with another injector on a quieter road so got the lot replaced. Now it's smoking again (turbo?).

Just can't risk that happening again, although I appreciate there's always an element of risk with used cars. Problem is most older MPVs are diesel and will suffer similar issues. Car is on 84k and a disaster!

[MC Bodge]

dhutch said:

I can completely see why for a non-car person, or anyone who cares less about what they drive than being able to drive it without ever thinking about it, it's a cheap new under warranty lease type sub contracted option.

Yes. Most people do not want to have to think at all about their car outside of driving it from A-B.

dhutch said:

However if I had a choice of driving my sister-in-laws 1yo Dacia Stepway or our 58plate Fiesta with 130k on the clock, the latter wins hands down and can be bought outright in cash for less then the deposit or a years monthly payments on the Dacia and the odd few little niggles it's had for being 12yo have been trivial in both importance and ease of having rectified.

That's interesting and is what I suspected. We have a 56 Fiesta (possibly Ford's unsung finest hour -like the Mk1 Focus, but with better rust-proofing and simpler -but still quite effective- rear suspension) that is still really good to drive (We also have a much fresher, more swish, low mileage 17 reg car by comparison).

As a very cheap and very spacious (potentially 7 seater) petrol estate, though, the Jogger appears to be in a class of its own in 2021. I wonder if some cheap & simple tweaks could improve the handling?

[dhutch]

Back2theFuji said:

Just to counter, I need a car which can carry a family of 5 with 3 car seats. Nothing comes close to this cost wise. Equally, I've spent £4500 in repairs to keep a 61 plate Verso on the road over the last 4 years (DPF, injectors, turbo clean out, heater matrix, horn). At one point the car failed completely on the motorway (injector failure), no limp mode, had to glide into roadworks and bail the sproggs out. Happened again with another injector on a quieter road so got the lot replaced. Now it's smoking again (turbo?).

Just can't risk that happening again, although I appreciate there's always an element of risk with used cars. Problem is most older MPVs are diesel and will suffer similar issues. Car is on 84k and a disaster!

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't have enjoyed that either, and any car can always be a pig even under warranty.

The Fiesta is the 1.6 diesal, and the only diesal I've had party to (came with my partner) but the daily is a X-reg 330ci and at times even I would like a car where I don't feel I have to read up in PH to ensure the replacement dampers are a reasonable option!

[Digga]

Back2theFuji said:

I've spent £4500 in repairs to keep a 61 plate Verso on the road over the last 4 years (DPF, injectors, turbo clean out, heater matrix, horn). At one point the car failed completely on the motorway (injector failure), no limp mode, had to glide into roadworks and bail the sproggs out. Happened again with another injector on a quieter road so got the lot replaced. Now it's smoking again (turbo?).

Modern diesels with DPF are an utter disaster. The most unreliable vehicle our company ever had on its fleet in 30 years was a VW Amarok V6. Went into limp/fail mode about four separate times in 3 years. We know it was not an unrepresentative lemon, because numerous of our customers had the same issues with theirs.

We think condensation settles in DPF after shutdown and gradually congeals with soot. Conversely we think the same condensation on the T6 Transporter we run ends up in the inlet manifold, hence the Vaseline like gunk in the oil filler cap. This happened just months in and a quick Google reveals it is very common. Never happened on our T5….

[Back2theFuji]

Digga said:

Modern diesels with DPF are an utter disaster. The most unreliable vehicle our company ever had on its fleet in 30 years was a VW Amarok V6. Went into limp/fail mode about four separate times in 3 years. We know it was not an unrepresentative lemon, because numerous of our customers had the same issues with theirs.

We think condensation settles in DPF after shutdown and gradually congeals with soot. Conversely we think the same condensation on the T6 Transporter we run ends up in the inlet manifold, hence the Vaseline like gunk in the oil filler cap. This happened just months in and a quick Google reveals it is very common. Never happened on our T5….

Yes I am less than impressed with my modern diesel experience! I've also been running a diesel Kia Ce'ed SW on a 59 plate for the last 7 years and the DPFless (thankfully!) engine has been flawless. School run every day, commutes, shopping runs...it never suffers and still returns 47MPG. The Toyota is mostly used for motorway driving by myself now (wife won't touch it) and the damn thing only returns 37MPG.

I've had to skip the Jogger now as it's too narrow for all our kiddie seats and I need the back for the mutt. Considering a used Kia Carens petrol now. Such exciting cars...

[Snozzer]

James6112 said:

I was tempted pre-launch & paid the £99 refundable deposit to get first dibs & 2 free services.
But wasn’t impressed enough to buy one. Sure it’s a good ‘cheap’ car. But so is my 8 year old Skoda, so i’ll keep it until it dies!
Getting the £99 back was harder than it should have been though. Took a few calls & weeks..

I paid a deposit too and cancelled. I wish I hadn’t based on the reviews! My concern was the tiny engine, in the end I just couldn’t part with the Jimmy. Getting the 99 back was a doddle for me, one call, same day. I was also told only the first service was free.

[dedwood80]

I'm currently just finishing up a 3 year lease on a Seat Leon Cupra ST (4drive 300) I've only been paying £225 a month on (£250 for the first 24x months then a formal extension for another 12 with a 10% reduction).
I've loved this car and the stupid low price I've been paying for it, but the lease company wouldn't confirm how long I could continue informally. So I didn't want to be in a position where I'd have to hand it back with only a week's notice and then have a mad scramble to get something else.

Due to the exasperating nature of daily driving and the inevitable curbed wheels, car park dings, etc that just add to the stress of running a nice car as a daily, I've decided I want to go down the ownership route and get something I won't necessarily give a st about keeping pristine.
Top of my list was a used Skoda Yeti, but I couldn't stomach the price these are currently at (yes, I know the whole used market is bonkers at the moment) for at least a 5-6 year old car.
I liked the look of the Jogger when it was announced earlier this year and considered putting a deposit down then, but held off for a test drive due to concerns I had about the small low powered engine.

I went for a test drive at Wilsons in Epsom on Friday and was impressed enough to nab the last one they had in stock; albeit in Comfort trim rather than the Extreme I would have preferred - but I can live with the differences instead of waiting the 6-8 months I was being quoted!

The dealership experience for the test drive, etc was really good. Unfortunately I experienced avoidable issues this morning when I went back to do the paperwork but everything did get sorted in the end. I now only have to go there to collect the car and strongly doubt I'll ever return as I'm about to move to a different part of the country.

The bottom line is this car ticks all of my practical needs (actually way way more practical then a Leon estate), has just enough poke and creature comforts (Apple CarPlay, cruise and air-con), whilst being cheap to buy, run, etc.
Of course it's leagues below the Leon Cupra ST in times of driving enjoyment, but when weighed up against the relief of only having to worry about doing just enough to keep it on the road, it's a no brainer.
No more expensive tyres or Shell V-Power - and I'm even predicting just a once a year inside and out clean for £15 at the local drive thru wash!

For me, the sense of relief I'm getting from running this as a daily instead of something at least twice as expensive is extremely palpable. I'm sure I'm not the only one out there who thinks the same...

PS - It also means I can think about getting a no-compromise weekend car :-)

[croyde]

I too have that sense of relief with my Duster bought new last year.

Knowing that at the worst I will lose only £10.5k tops is really something.

No more concern about dings and scuffs or where I've left it parked yet as it's new, it works, has a warranty, breakdown cover etc

Plus being an Essential, there's very little to go wrong.

[ch37]

croyde said:

I too have that sense of relief with my Duster bought new last year.

Knowing that at the worst I will lose only £10.5k tops is really something.

If anything it's probably still worth roughly what you paid for it at the moment!

[croyde]

ch37 said:

If anything it's probably still worth roughly what you paid for it at the moment!

I did look on WBAC last week.

£11600

A grand profit after 15 months and 10k miles.

Mind you my model new is now £14500 and a 6 month wait. Explains a lot but a 40% increase in list price in just over a year