F Pace has possibly committed engine suicide

[TheHighlander]

Trevor555 said:

I hope you can get this sorted OP

Hat's off to your skills there

No skills here we’re running on monster energy and a lot of hope.

[carreauchompeur]

Great work. Impressed at the willingness to get stuck in but sharethe annoyance... I've got an E class with an intermittent starting issue and the only real garage solution is to keep throwing different parts at it.

This is an instructional lesson re Jaguar!

[lord trumpton]

Get it running, get rid and never ever buy a JLR product again is my advice fwiw mate

[TheHighlander]

Have a listen to this. It sounds haunted.

It’s not got worse. I’ll get it on the ramp Tuesday/Wednesday.

Did 30 miles today to see would it get worse or better, drove it very hard.

If never broke down and no EML. Runs smooth.

[Dog Star]

Might just be me but no sound.

[TheHighlander]

It's a rubbing sound essentially.

New bearings coming tomorrow and the ad blue injector.

Still no more faults other than the ADBLUE one.

It's not a mechanical noise, going to take the undertray off and that's it.

[TheHighlander]

Adblue injector fitted - Now the adblue warning light and all other EML issues are now resolved.

Still awaiting the wheel bearing kit, was hoping to get it fitted today but will leave it till next week now. I've done 200 miles and its neither got worse or better.

[Macron]

I cannot be the only one bordering on distressed that a company once as great as Jaguar is selling utter ste like this.

Yes I know, it's not a British company any more, but how as someone working in the Midlands could you hold your head up high knowing what you'd designed and built would be so incredibly flaky I do not know...

[havoc]

Macron said:

I cannot be the only one bordering on distressed that a company once as great as Jaguar is selling utter ste like this.

Yes I know, it's not a British company any more, but how as someone working in the Midlands could you hold your head up high knowing what you'd designed and built would be so incredibly flaky I do not know...

They're British insofar as the vehicles are wholly designed and (mostly) made here. Ownership of shares is almost secondary. (MG is a very different situation)

...and you'd be right, if it wasn't for the fact that they've nearly-always made ste. Granted not the E-Type and prior, but if you look from the 70s onwards you'll see a litany of variable build quality, rust that would make an Italian blush, and general engineering mediocrity*. What's brought it into focus in the last 10-20 years is that most other premium brands have brought either their quality or their customer service game up to scratch, while at JLR they appear to have gone backwards in both areas.



* Ride quality excepted, which they've always excelled at.

[TheHighlander]

So where are we with this now.

Never did the wheel bearing as I haven’t had time, I’ve clocked up 400 miles this weekend and it’s running like a dream kind of.

Keep getting adblue faults, replaced sensors etc and they still
Keep appearing. Another friend is mapping out the adblue system tomorrow and I’m throwing caution to the wind and getting a stage one map on it. Bring it from 180 to 210 🙈😂🙈 will see if the wife notices as I barely drive it.


Apart from that it’s running very well (famous last words)

My theory is unless the bottom end goes I’ve got a spare full engine with turbo etc etc sitting on a pallet. I feel somewhat a Jaguar ingenium expert now.

I’ll update tomorrow after I stick it on his rolling road after the updates.

[loskie]

are Jaguar still Tata?

The same company that does Tetley Tea?

[TheHighlander]

If it is, they should stick to tea.

[Back2theFuji]

Escy said:

Agreed. I don't think the JLR implementation is good, you don't know the state of the DPF until it's thrown an error and put you in limp mode. You also don't know when it's doing a regen attempt.

They could just flash a message up on the dash saying DPF soot levels are high, spank me down the motorway within X amount of miles. Then a message showing it's doing a regen and another for completed. I think most owners would follow the messages to avoid issues.

This could all be done with a simple software update.

Completely agree. Had a 2011 Toyota with a rubbish engine design like this. They ditched it a couple of years later in favour of a BMW design.

The damn thing had constant DPF issues. Replaced it and it still kept dumping diesel in the oil. Injectors kept failing and the turbo started to go by the time I gave up and chopped it in. Completely put me off modern diesels!!!*

• I still run a 2009 Kia shed with a non-DPF diesel which just goes on and on without a worry in the world (other than possibly killing some wildlife with emissions...).

[Barrie c 66]

I don't think it's just JLR. I had two euro six Transits that were awful, diesel in the oil every three thousand miles. Currently running two Transporters for work and both of them have done less than 40,000 miles but have had to have new dpf's and egr valves recently.

[TheHighlander]

Barrie c 66 said:

I don't think it's just JLR. I had two euro six Transits that were awful, diesel in the oil every three thousand miles. Currently running two Transporters for work and both of them have done less than 40,000 miles but have had to have new dpf's and egr valves recently.

I’ve got a 2018 Transit custom since new - it’s on 208k and it’s been great, zero issues

2022 Ford Ranger - I keep having DPF issues with it

Just took delivery of a new work 2023 LWD Transit so time will tell

Sick of new vehicles.

[Barrie c 66]

TheHighlander said:

I’ve got a 2018 Transit custom since new - it’s on 208k and it’s been great, zero issues

2022 Ford Ranger - I keep having DPF issues with it

Just took delivery of a new work 2023 LWD Transit so time will tell

Sick of new vehicles.

I know JLR have a shocking reputation but my wife had a petrol Discovery Sport for three years and had zero problems with it. She test drove numerous other brands when looking for a replacement but nothing was as refined as the Discovery Sport, so she now has the the plug in hybrid version. We'll have to wait and see how that turns out.

[finlo]

Barrie c 66 said:

TheHighlander said:

I’ve got a 2018 Transit custom since new - it’s on 208k and it’s been great, zero issues

2022 Ford Ranger - I keep having DPF issues with it

Just took delivery of a new work 2023 LWD Transit so time will tell

Sick of new vehicles.

my wife had a petrol Discovery Sport

Keeping away from modern diesels is the correct answer.

[TheHighlander]

I’d say petrol you would be safe.

My pals Range Rover SVR has been used and abused and just had air suspension issues.

It’s just this ingenium engine is a raft of ste

[QBee]

I don't own one of these and never will, thanks to you and Escy making the issues public.
But I did notice a few weeks ago that there is a legal class action being organised about these.

URL is here

[V88Dicky]

Barrie c 66 said:

I know JLR have a shocking reputation but my wife had a petrol Discovery Sport for three years and had zero problems with it. She test drove numerous other brands when looking for a replacement but nothing was as refined as the Discovery Sport, so she now has the the plug in hybrid version. We'll have to wait and see how that turns out.

Similar here.

Between me and the missus, we’ve owned 5 Jags over the last 13 years, all petrol engines. Never had any drivetrain issues at all.

3.0 AJV6
4.2 AJV8
4.2 AJV8 S/C
5.0 AJ genIII
and lastly the 3.0 S/C AJ126

Changed a grumbling water pump on the 5.0 once, and the rear camera packed up on the XE S, and that’s about it

This seems to be backed up by recent reliability surveys, with petrol powered models finishing pretty favourably and the diesels near the bottom.