RE: All-new Toyota Land Cruiser launched
Discussion
Yes please!
As a former 120 owner (and regular off-road business user) this looks excellent. Buttons and levers float my boat, and I love the 70’s colour ways.
Only thing it seems to lack is low range (no centre diff lock) which was useful for shunting trailer on my sloping gravel track / yard.
As a former 120 owner (and regular off-road business user) this looks excellent. Buttons and levers float my boat, and I love the 70’s colour ways.
Only thing it seems to lack is low range (no centre diff lock) which was useful for shunting trailer on my sloping gravel track / yard.
wiffmaster said:
Looks great and I think Toyota have got it absolutely spot on...apart from that asthmatic 204 hp engine.
Absolutely no idea why they'd choose to fit an old underpowered diesel unit in an interesting new vehicle. Especially when the same vehicle in US spec gets a 4-cylinder petrol hybrid with 326 hp, which I would have thought would absolutely suit the UK market.
But that aside, it looks the part, will be incredibly capable and its longevity can probably be measured in geological terms.
its not underpowered. the current one isn't either. you're so far off the market with the petrol hybrid.Absolutely no idea why they'd choose to fit an old underpowered diesel unit in an interesting new vehicle. Especially when the same vehicle in US spec gets a 4-cylinder petrol hybrid with 326 hp, which I would have thought would absolutely suit the UK market.
But that aside, it looks the part, will be incredibly capable and its longevity can probably be measured in geological terms.
DP14 said:
chappardababbar said:
loveice said:
This isn’t the proper new Land Cruiser. The LC300 series was introduce two years ago. This is a simply updated version of the current Prado (a face lift inside out with the same chassis and drive train). I know the real Land Cruisers aren’t sold in Western Europe. But Prado should be at least mentioned once in the article in order to let to let the readers know this isn’t the all new Land Cruiser. The difference between Prado and Land Cruiser is much bigger than the difference between RRS and FFRR, they have totally different chassis and drivetrains, whereas RRS at least shares the same chassis and drivetrain as FFRR…
Well said.Edited by loveice on Wednesday 2nd August 06:45
The 'Land Cruiser' has been a family of vehicles rather than a single model for decades, and if any is likely to be claimed to be the 'real' one, it would be the 70-series, beloved of mining companies, NGOs and terrorists. Further, this one is now based on the same GA-F platform as the 300.
Land Cruiser should be reserved for the daddy.
ChocolateFrog said:
DP14 said:
chappardababbar said:
loveice said:
This isn’t the proper new Land Cruiser. The LC300 series was introduce two years ago. This is a simply updated version of the current Prado (a face lift inside out with the same chassis and drive train). I know the real Land Cruisers aren’t sold in Western Europe. But Prado should be at least mentioned once in the article in order to let to let the readers know this isn’t the all new Land Cruiser. The difference between Prado and Land Cruiser is much bigger than the difference between RRS and FFRR, they have totally different chassis and drivetrains, whereas RRS at least shares the same chassis and drivetrain as FFRR…
Well said.Edited by loveice on Wednesday 2nd August 06:45
The 'Land Cruiser' has been a family of vehicles rather than a single model for decades, and if any is likely to be claimed to be the 'real' one, it would be the 70-series, beloved of mining companies, NGOs and terrorists. Further, this one is now based on the same GA-F platform as the 300.
Land Cruiser should be reserved for the daddy.
OK, which of these is the "real" Land Cruiser in Australia?
Or
Frankychops said:
wiffmaster said:
Looks great and I think Toyota have got it absolutely spot on...apart from that asthmatic 204 hp engine.
Absolutely no idea why they'd choose to fit an old underpowered diesel unit in an interesting new vehicle. Especially when the same vehicle in US spec gets a 4-cylinder petrol hybrid with 326 hp, which I would have thought would absolutely suit the UK market.
But that aside, it looks the part, will be incredibly capable and its longevity can probably be measured in geological terms.
its not underpowered. the current one isn't either. you're so far off the market with the petrol hybrid.Absolutely no idea why they'd choose to fit an old underpowered diesel unit in an interesting new vehicle. Especially when the same vehicle in US spec gets a 4-cylinder petrol hybrid with 326 hp, which I would have thought would absolutely suit the UK market.
But that aside, it looks the part, will be incredibly capable and its longevity can probably be measured in geological terms.
Still, at least Toyota has pre-emptively acknowledged the European version will be underpowered at launch, given they've already said the diesel mild-hybrid is coming in 2025.
I really hope it does well through - because engine aside - I think it's perfectly judged.
Edited by wiffmaster on Wednesday 2nd August 21:49
This is going to get plenty of interest I'm sure. Currently the other half has an f pace and was looking at defenders albeit the JLR reliability is a worry. I really regret not splashing out on a Jimmy when they were first introduced but in reality it would be impractically small. This on the othe hand has a really nice dose of retro, a ton of space, towing will be second nature I'm sure, with plenty of character - a long way advanced from the current LC. Interior also looks good to me and doesn't appear that it will feel less special that a defender etc. Very interested indeed!
wiffmaster said:
Frankychops said:
wiffmaster said:
Looks great and I think Toyota have got it absolutely spot on...apart from that asthmatic 204 hp engine.
Absolutely no idea why they'd choose to fit an old underpowered diesel unit in an interesting new vehicle. Especially when the same vehicle in US spec gets a 4-cylinder petrol hybrid with 326 hp, which I would have thought would absolutely suit the UK market.
But that aside, it looks the part, will be incredibly capable and its longevity can probably be measured in geological terms.
its not underpowered. the current one isn't either. you're so far off the market with the petrol hybrid.Absolutely no idea why they'd choose to fit an old underpowered diesel unit in an interesting new vehicle. Especially when the same vehicle in US spec gets a 4-cylinder petrol hybrid with 326 hp, which I would have thought would absolutely suit the UK market.
But that aside, it looks the part, will be incredibly capable and its longevity can probably be measured in geological terms.
Still, at least Toyota has pre-emptively acknowledged the European version will be underpowered at launch, given they've already said the diesel mild-hybrid is coming in 2025.
I really hope it does well through - because engine aside - I think it's perfectly judged.
Edited by wiffmaster on Wednesday 2nd August 21:49
I do appreciate that a good plugging diesel may be the way to go for those wanting a simple vehicle that will last 200k, but the reality is that there isn't really that sort of diesel on the market. Even for pickups you have adblue and a load of DPFs or whatever that make these engines anything but simple. I met a fella who uses pickups as tow vehicles and under strain the modern diesel was getting through scary amounts of adblue and the small but higher stressed engines were sucking a lot of diesel.
For me it isn't power as such, I appreciate peoples views on torque being more important in many situations, but the scary fuel consumption one gets from some modern diesels when driven outside of a narrow band. With the torque benefits of mild electric power supplementing the petrol engine it just feels the better solution than a highly complex and seemingly ever more pernickity diesel where the reputation for simplicity feels ever more outdated.
Jag_NE said:
Looks great, I have a feeling prices will be north of 70k, unfortunately.
Of course they will, but so was the outgoing Invincible model. However, depreciation traditionally has been very slow on these, and I'd predict with them being sold in relatively low numbers this trend should continue. I'd also wager they would last a lot longer than most of the alternatives, given the proven engine.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff