RE: 2023 McLaren 750S | PH Review

[CKY]

Olivera said:

br d said:

I'm no expert but how does all that differ from any other modern supercar?
You can turn off the ESP if you're mental enough and the box has manual, you can also set it in Track and everything nutters up to 11. I'm struggling to see how a Mclaren feels "Pensioner".

It differs because the McLaren Super Series has taken things even more auto with regards to the suspension - it doesn't have conventional springs or dampers but hydraulically interlinked ECU controlled self levelling suspension. They same with the rear differential, it's not a conventional LSD but an open diff that's auto ECU controlled. Every single facet of the car is auto and far removed from a conventional driver's car. This of course makes it ballistically fast, but in a way that your nan could do it.

Bit of a moot point to be honest given 99.9% of drivers in the 'most driver focussed of supercars' (i.e. a 911 GT3RS) when driving (even on track) will leave traction control and ESP on - only have to look at the amount of cars on track days where they are flashing their brake lights on from the apex to exit of corners. I'd be embarrassed to be honest, not that it seems to affect the drivers - at the end of the day, if they are incapable of keeping their car out of the barrier and the computers help prevent this, is it such a bad thing? Less track closures/red flags

Agreed though I prefer to be in control of a car myself, if a car was too fast/powerful for me to control I would accept it's beyond my limits and wouldn't buy it, simple.

[E90_M3Ross]

CKY said:

Olivera said:

br d said:

I'm no expert but how does all that differ from any other modern supercar?
You can turn off the ESP if you're mental enough and the box has manual, you can also set it in Track and everything nutters up to 11. I'm struggling to see how a Mclaren feels "Pensioner".

It differs because the McLaren Super Series has taken things even more auto with regards to the suspension - it doesn't have conventional springs or dampers but hydraulically interlinked ECU controlled self levelling suspension. They same with the rear differential, it's not a conventional LSD but an open diff that's auto ECU controlled. Every single facet of the car is auto and far removed from a conventional driver's car. This of course makes it ballistically fast, but in a way that your nan could do it.

Bit of a moot point to be honest given 99.9% of drivers in the 'most driver focussed of supercars' (i.e. a 911 GT3RS) when driving (even on track) will leave traction control and ESP on - only have to look at the amount of cars on track days where they are flashing their brake lights on from the apex to exit of corners. I'd be embarrassed to be honest, not that it seems to affect the drivers - at the end of the day, if they are incapable of keeping their car out of the barrier and the computers help prevent this, is it such a bad thing? Less track closures/red flags

Agreed though I prefer to be in control of a car myself, if a car was too fast/powerful for me to control I would accept it's beyond my limits and wouldn't buy it, simple.

You'd be embarrassed? Get a fking grip

Yeah, I mean, how fking stupid are these people not wanting to risk binning their cars worth as much as a cheap house.

fking hell

And so what if they "need" traction control? Perhaps that means they're more willing to push on, go faster, and enjoy themselves more. How dare they want to just enjoy themselves and not worry about going 0.3 seconds a lap faster when nobody else cares, except for you

[Nuttbelle]

Nice facelift of the 720S, but if you want a proper old school naturally aspirated supercar it has to be a lamborghini huracan tecnica

The last, best and rarest Huracan !

Edited by Nuttbelle on Monday 20th November 15:10

[br d]

Start a thread on it then Butt Smell.
What the fk does that have to do with the subject at hand?

[br d]

br d said:

Start a thread on it then Butt Smell.
What the fk does that have to do with the subject at hand?

I know quoting your own post is bad form but...


My apologies for coming across as a dick here but I'm responding to Rambo Lambo, an insufferable idiot who's raison d'être is to dominate the Supercar forums with his ignorance and offensiveness.

[Terminator X]

There was 720s at a Ferrari day I went to recently, it got a lot of attention and rightly so. Anyone saying meh needs a talking to.



TX.

[964Cup]

Olivera said:

Stupendously fast and capable, but the McLaren super series cars have always struck me as a bit of a 'pensioner's express'. Auto box, auto ESP, auto TC, auto self levelling suspension, auto torque vectoring diff and so on.

Have you driven one? My own experience doesn't accord with your description. In fact, I'd say that a fully-lit 720 is considerably more of a handful than say a GT3RS driven with similar commitment. They do ride well, thanks to the clever suspension, and you can certainly potter about if you choose, but then that's also true of a 3RS or indeed a 993RS.

On the other hand I can assure you that when pushing on, especially a damp road, the car will be on the very far side of exciting even with all the systems on. I will also say that given how quickly the 720 arrives at corners, having slightly less to think about gives your brain a fighting chance of keeping up.

[jason61c]

Mackofthejungle said:

LotusOmega375D said:

Don’t understand the comparison with the MC20. This has an extra 130bhp and costs about £60k more, so a whole market sector up.

It's not really though. It's a cheap remap away from being equal on power if that's your bag....but for most people actually buying these does the power figure actually matter? The Maserati looks better, sounds better and by all accounts drives beautifully.

Money no object, I reckon most people take the MC20.

I wonder if you bought a base spec 750s, a base spec mc20. ran them for a year, its likely the 750s would have cost you about £60k more in depriciation, or £120k total if you include the list price.

or not far of £1000 for every extra HP?

[E90_M3Ross]

jason61c said:

Mackofthejungle said:

LotusOmega375D said:

Don’t understand the comparison with the MC20. This has an extra 130bhp and costs about £60k more, so a whole market sector up.

It's not really though. It's a cheap remap away from being equal on power if that's your bag....but for most people actually buying these does the power figure actually matter? The Maserati looks better, sounds better and by all accounts drives beautifully.

Money no object, I reckon most people take the MC20.

I wonder if you bought a base spec 750s, a base spec mc20. ran them for a year, its likely the 750s would have cost you about £60k more in depriciation, or £120k total if you include the list price.

or not far of £1000 for every extra HP?

How do you know how the MC20 will depreciate?

[123RY]

jason61c said:

I wonder if you bought a base spec 750s, a base spec mc20. ran them for a year, its likely the 750s would have cost you about £60k more in depriciation, or £120k total if you include the list price.

or not far of £1000 for every extra HP?

So let's say the maserati loses just £30k in the 1st year. You think the 750s will be a £160k car down from £250k in the same time. And the maserati will be also, £160k.
You pleased with that post? Talk about plucking numbers out of your arse.

[br d]

jason61c said:

I wonder if you bought a base spec 750s, a base spec mc20. ran them for a year, its likely the 750s would have cost you about £60k more in depriciation, or £120k total if you include the list price.

or not far of £1000 for every extra HP?

Starting with 'base spec' is already unrealistic, nobody buys 'base spec'.


Consider the market, certainly.
Evaluate your financial position, definitely.
Weigh up the possible future depreciation and allow for it, of course.
st yourself about how your new Ferrari will destroy your kids inheritance?
Then nah man it's not for you, you shouldn't be doing it!

Just a general point Jason, not aimed at you.

Edited by br d on Monday 20th November 19:25

[HighwayStar]

jason61c said:

Mackofthejungle said:

LotusOmega375D said:

Don’t understand the comparison with the MC20. This has an extra 130bhp and costs about £60k more, so a whole market sector up.

It's not really though. It's a cheap remap away from being equal on power if that's your bag....but for most people actually buying these does the power figure actually matter? The Maserati looks better, sounds better and by all accounts drives beautifully.

Money no object, I reckon most people take the MC20.

I wonder if you bought a base spec 750s, a base spec mc20. ran them for a year, its likely the 750s would have cost you about £60k more in depriciation, or £120k total if you include the list price.

or not far of £1000 for every extra HP?

If I was in the market for a new super car, say the 750S, I’m fairly well off. I’m really not going to buy a car I don’t want (the MC20 is not a car that interests me) to avoid depreciation. It would definitely be a 750S for me. We are now back in days of most performance cars depreciating.

[Sway]

NGK210 said:

br d said:

NGK210 said:

br d said:

…Harry's Garage … MC20 … I trust his opinion … there were certainly issues with weight…

Genuinely interested:
Can someone please explain how/why the all-carbonfibre 2WD 2-seat MC20, powered by a relatively lightweight V6 turbo, weighs 1700kg DIN? (Which, obvs, is c.230kg heavier than a 750S.)

I'd love to engage mate but after all your selective post cutting I don't know whether we agree or disagree!

Merely for brevity and to focus on the weight issue, which I genuinely find bewildering / illogical.

Even worse when we consider the one Harry tested was over 100kgs more than DIN!

Their original 'explanation' was because it had to be built tough to cope with the additional weight of the electric drivetrain that'll be bolted in. Which definitely seems to have created a vicious circle.

It'll be interesting to see the MC20s depreciation curve (well, actually it won't, but people seem to care about that stuff) - don't think it'll be as good as some are claiming. Maseratis never have been (including having some of the worst depreciating cars of all time).

[jason61c]

It will be interesting to see how low the mc20’s go. I’m hoping they hit £100k. I’d buy one then.

We know the mclaren will go below.

It is good to see depreciation back

[Wheelspinning]

Sway said:

It'll be interesting to see the MC20s depreciation curve (well, actually it won't, but people seem to care about that stuff) - don't think it'll be as good as some are claiming. Maseratis never have been (including having some of the worst depreciating cars of all time).

It's there to see already.

Most coupes have managed to shed north of £50k in 6 months, and the spider versions have list around £30k in the same time; basically following the typical maser freefall route.


What I don't understand is why depreciation such a big topic mostly to the individuals that will never buy one?

It certainly seems its not an issue to the 2 posters on here that have confirmed they have cars on order.

[123RY]

jason61c said:

It will be interesting to see how low the mc20’s go. I’m hoping they hit £100k. I’d buy one then.

We know the mclaren will go below.

It is good to see depreciation back

Will be a a couple years yet, but the cheapest is already £150k so that's shed a good amount already in very short order.

And seeing as the cheapest 720s at 6 years old is £120k, no i don't think we know the mclaren will go below. But do carry on with your agenda.

Actually no, we all know you aren't in a position to buy anything in this bracket so do bore off.

750s looks mega and applaud all who are going for one. Perfecting a 720s is no mean feat but if reviews are anything to go by, they've done just that. The 7XX cars wear their colours so well, a vibrant blue would be my choice!

[jason61c]

123RY said:

jason61c said:

It will be interesting to see how low the mc20’s go. I’m hoping they hit £100k. I’d buy one then.

We know the mclaren will go below.

It is good to see depreciation back

Will be a a couple years yet, but the cheapest is already £150k so that's shed a good amount already in very short order.

And seeing as the cheapest 720s at 6 years old is £120k, no i don't think we know the mclaren will go below. But do carry on with your agenda.

Actually no, we all know you aren't in a position to buy anything in this bracket so do bore off.

750s looks mega and applaud all who are going for one. Perfecting a 720s is no mean feat but if reviews are anything to go by, they've done just that. The 7XX cars wear their colours so well, a vibrant blue would be my choice!

you have no idea of my financial position. Looking forward to these sorts of cars coming down in price isn't a bad thing. So do bore off yourself.

[ManyMotors]

I like McLarens and hope Mike Leiters turns things around. I do not intend to buy a McLaren but encourage you to do that soon.

[br d]

Wheelspinning said:

It certainly seems its not an issue to the 2 posters on here that have confirmed they have cars on order.

Lol!

Well said Wheels mate! I bought my first supercar about 17 years ago and I've been hemorrhaging money on them ever since! I dare not even think about the money I've lost!

But I'll be dead one day and I won't be leaving debt behind, and when I draw my last breath I will not regret a penny of it.

If there is anything to be sad about it's that a 20 year old now will never enjoy what we did when they can finally afford it.

Every thread like this fills with people worrying about the money they'll lose, it's really simple, buy what you can afford to enjoy. If you're too frightened to drive it then you've over spent.
Get something 50 grand cheaper and live!

fksake we're only here for a heartbeat.

[edoverheels]

Buy what you can afford to enjoy - good advice.