RE: VW ID 3 finally gets 326hp GTX flagship
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smithers-jones said:
We don't buy tesla (little to no r&d and Musk is too odious by half to finance....and f
k they're ugly) and Chinese cars....no
I have a cupra borne too and have recently been driving an employees tesla model 3 - they actually really good to drive and was impressed!k they're ugly) and Chinese cars....noJulian Scott said:
Msportman said:
Still a milk float with milk float handling one would suspect. Worthless after 3-4 years no doubt like most EV's.
Who wants a IPhone after 3-4 yrs .....you've got to be pretty bonkers to even PCP these cars as when the time comes to trade it in there's no to little equity as my friend recently found out trading in his ID3. The supplying dealer didnt want it back!
Is it a teacher training day? Kids off, so up late?Who wants a IPhone after 3-4 yrs .....you've got to be pretty bonkers to even PCP these cars as when the time comes to trade it in there's no to little equity as my friend recently found out trading in his ID3. The supplying dealer didnt want it back!
On the Porsche Panamera thread you are implying someone is an alcoholic because you disagree with them.
Chill out man it’s cars!
Edited by CG2020UK on Monday 18th March 17:00
CG2020UK said:
Julian Scott said:
Msportman said:
Still a milk float with milk float handling one would suspect. Worthless after 3-4 years no doubt like most EV's.
Who wants a IPhone after 3-4 yrs .....you've got to be pretty bonkers to even PCP these cars as when the time comes to trade it in there's no to little equity as my friend recently found out trading in his ID3. The supplying dealer didnt want it back!
Is it a teacher training day? Kids off, so up late?Who wants a IPhone after 3-4 yrs .....you've got to be pretty bonkers to even PCP these cars as when the time comes to trade it in there's no to little equity as my friend recently found out trading in his ID3. The supplying dealer didnt want it back!
On the Porsche Panamera thread you are implying someone is an alcoholic because you disagree with them.
Chill out man it’s cars!
Edited by CG2020UK on Monday 18th March 17:00
autumnsum said:
Please show me where I can get one of these worthless EVs? I'd like a Tesla.
Autotrader is littered with EV's that have lost more than 55% in under 3 yrs. Just for example there are stacks of Audi Q4's VW ID4/5 with over 55% loss in under 3 yrs. Let's not even look at others such as Porsche & AudI GT.We all know many that have been rapid charged in company car use will have harmed the battery similar to our mobiles etc but if you buy a used 3 yr old ID4/5 what are the batteries going to be like at 6-7 yrs old. The car really will be worthless throw away objects.
They may be a cheap run about but I can't see the vast majority buying these cars as the go to long distance do it all vehicle.
It will be decades before we can produce enough electric to switch millions of road users over and install enough charging stations across the country. Can't see it happening personally.
As for Tesla the nearest dealer is an hour away in Bristol.....what a load of hassle if you have an accident or need the car serviced there's nobody locally that's touch Tesla's.
Edited by Msportman on Tuesday 19th March 00:48
Msportman said:
It will be decades before we can produce enough electric to switch millions of road users over and install enough charging stations across the country. Can't see it happening personally.
The transition to electric cars has always been a multi-decade thing, so I’m not sure what point you are trying to make.Also, I’d redo the maths that says we won’t have enough electricity.
A million EVs adds less than 1% additional load onto the grid…
kambites said:
ajap1979 said:
1974foggy said:
It will drop like a stone in value like all EVs.
Like all EVs? Are you an expert on the market then?Looking on AT, 3-4 year old examples seem to be worth roughly 50% of their original list price, and ID.3s have pretty much always had discounts, either via PCP contributions and/or government grants. To me that seems like fairly ordinary depreciation, or am I wrong?
So, whilst Im no expert I do watch the market, and yes you are wrong but I did love how triggered you both were- hey, crack on hope you enjoy your throw away cars.
1974foggy said:
kambites said:
ajap1979 said:
1974foggy said:
It will drop like a stone in value like all EVs.
Like all EVs? Are you an expert on the market then?Looking on AT, 3-4 year old examples seem to be worth roughly 50% of their original list price, and ID.3s have pretty much always had discounts, either via PCP contributions and/or government grants. To me that seems like fairly ordinary depreciation, or am I wrong?
So, whilst Im no expert I do watch the market, and yes you are wrong but I did love how triggered you both were- hey, crack on hope you enjoy your throw away cars.
Do you have links to these "comparisons", and maybe then we can carry on the conversation like adults, rather than resorting to embarrassing comments like "crack on hope you enjoy your throw away cars".
PS. Please please don't come back with a link to a Geoff Buys Cars video
Msportman said:
Autotrader is littered with EV's that have lost more than 55% in under 3 yrs. Just for example there are stacks of Audi Q4's VW ID4/5 with over 55% loss in under 3 yrs. Let's not even look at others such as Porsche & AudI GT.
We all know many that have been rapid charged in company car use will have harmed the battery similar to our mobiles etc but if you buy a used 3 yr old ID4/5 what are the batteries going to be like at 6-7 yrs old. The car really will be worthless throw away objects.
They may be a cheap run about but I can't see the vast majority buying these cars as the go to long distance do it all vehicle.
It will be decades before we can produce enough electric to switch millions of road users over and install enough charging stations across the country. Can't see it happening personally.
As for Tesla the nearest dealer is an hour away in Bristol.....what a load of hassle if you have an accident or need the car serviced there's nobody locally that's touch Tesla's.
I'm delighted there are opinions like yours out there...We all know many that have been rapid charged in company car use will have harmed the battery similar to our mobiles etc but if you buy a used 3 yr old ID4/5 what are the batteries going to be like at 6-7 yrs old. The car really will be worthless throw away objects.
They may be a cheap run about but I can't see the vast majority buying these cars as the go to long distance do it all vehicle.
It will be decades before we can produce enough electric to switch millions of road users over and install enough charging stations across the country. Can't see it happening personally.
As for Tesla the nearest dealer is an hour away in Bristol.....what a load of hassle if you have an accident or need the car serviced there's nobody locally that's touch Tesla's.
Edited by Msportman on Tuesday 19th March 00:48
... If there are enough of you, it suppresses EV values and I can buy a better one for my money
There are a very few ICE cars with knackered engines that need replacing at great cost when a car is 6-7 years old. The chances of that happening to a 6-7 year old EV are probably less, and you can replace individual cells rather than the whole battery.
I'm not a massive fan of how Tesla does things but that's okay: there are literally dozens of companies out there that overcome that problem by not being Tesla.
They're definitely not perfect but there's a lot to commend EVs in many cases.
ajap1979 said:
1974foggy said:
kambites said:
ajap1979 said:
1974foggy said:
It will drop like a stone in value like all EVs.
Like all EVs? Are you an expert on the market then?Looking on AT, 3-4 year old examples seem to be worth roughly 50% of their original list price, and ID.3s have pretty much always had discounts, either via PCP contributions and/or government grants. To me that seems like fairly ordinary depreciation, or am I wrong?
So, whilst Im no expert I do watch the market, and yes you are wrong but I did love how triggered you both were- hey, crack on hope you enjoy your throw away cars.
Do you have links to these "comparisons", and maybe then we can carry on the conversation like adults, rather than resorting to embarrassing comments like "crack on hope you enjoy your throw away cars".
PS. Please please don't come back with a link to a Geoff Buys Cars video
That was £120k a couple of years ago, and Porsche wouldnt even have it back now he wants to go back to an IC car.
He has been offered in some cases less than £30k.
I work in the motor trade, and the number of people saying they do not work is insane and the costs involved are vast.
There are paramedics using older hybrid i3s, because the newer fully electric ones havent got enough range or chargers. Councils spending £170k buying and converting Peugeot Boxer style minibuses to electric that are either broken down or the chargers faulty, so they carry on using the old Merc Sprinter diesels. An already crippled NHS is investing half a billion in electric ambulances, with a top speed of 56 mph supposedly. They are estimated to last 5-6 years! The post office is been pressured to buy E vans, so instead of cheap little diesel french vans they get for a few £k new, they are buying Vitos which will again only last a few years given the use and abuse they get, at a cost of near £40k! Its expected to push them under. I could go on and on, i just hear so many negative comments. A part time firefighter colleague says many in the fire dept would like to see them banned given the speed at which they can flare up in an accident, or even days later after an accident randomly. Ive a friend at Bentley who tells me a little bit of insider info.
Massive question mark over the Luton airport fire also. They just arent for me.
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