RE: M6 Production Ends

[jellison]

isee said:

sootyrumble said:

ManOpener said:

sootyrumble said:

for a tank astonishing i agree but compared to most other cars not really that impressive considering the power available, and on a twisty roady one struggled to keep up with my RX8 so dynamically seriously compromised by weight

I struggle to believe that for one moment. 296bhp/tonne versus 184bhp/tonne- that's not far off double the power to weight ratio. The RX8 is about 350kg lighter (but still a rather dumpy 1400-odd kg according to a quick google search), with less than half the power. I'd be inclined to say he wasn't pushing on

Power has very little use if you can't get it down ;-) and the RX8 is one of the best handling cars around, and the power delivery is different to most other cars. Oh and it only weighs 1310kg which is very good for its size :-P

Also when in my M5 on a very twisty road up in Scotland and in my BMW m5, I struggled to keep up with a











LAND ROVER DISCOVERY!


Does that mean:
a. the Disco is a faster or a better handling car
b. I was totally unfamiliar with the road
c. st driver
d. b and c

Edited by isee on Friday 23 July 10:24

Clearly not a Driving GOD!

[huge]

isee said:

sootyrumble said:

ManOpener said:

sootyrumble said:

for a tank astonishing i agree but compared to most other cars not really that impressive considering the power available, and on a twisty roady one struggled to keep up with my RX8 so dynamically seriously compromised by weight

I struggle to believe that for one moment. 296bhp/tonne versus 184bhp/tonne- that's not far off double the power to weight ratio. The RX8 is about 350kg lighter (but still a rather dumpy 1400-odd kg according to a quick google search), with less than half the power. I'd be inclined to say he wasn't pushing on

Power has very little use if you can't get it down ;-) and the RX8 is one of the best handling cars around, and the power delivery is different to most other cars. Oh and it only weighs 1310kg which is very good for its size :-P

Also when in my M5 on a very twisty road up in Scotland and in my BMW m5, I struggled to keep up with a











LAND ROVER DISCOVERY!


Does that mean:
a. the Disco is a faster or a better handling car
b. I was totally unfamiliar with the road
c. st driver
d. b and c

Edited by isee on Friday 23 July 10:24

c.

[derestrictor]

Interesting to read the ever hoon-empathetic Chris Harris, in the latest issue of EVO, ref the retirement of the V10 blitzkreiger; basically, a decision by the board of BMW to sit inconspicuously with the now endemic plague of mindless ecoweenery that stalks the globe.

Here, to comply with the scientific brilliance of Lorraine Kelly, the BBC and earnest handwringers currently infecting all former first world seats of power from Washington, via Downing St, through to Le Europarl whilst Mother Russia, the sub continent and China gratefully take over, shrouded by a haze of Hennessey Venom induced laughter.

The Board, not M Div, decided plumbing, not gloriously visceral, normal aspiration, was the way to promote it's crazy viggens. CO2, natch.

I'm quite sure the e63 M6 will enjoy a favourable retirement, eeking out a relatively low rent following in the manner of former, less favoured, GT superstars; a budgetesque, latter day Ghibli, in 20 years, perhaps.

Considerably more wieldy than its saloon sibling and a riot where conventional ignorance proclaims otherwise - the good news for those with a capacity for objectivity then subjective engagement is that it is precisely its 'marmite' reputation which will keep prices sensible and hopefully, in time, allow others to realise just how criminally misrepresented this fabulous creation truly is.

We live in a world where Lady Ga Ga not Led Zep is marketed as the new rock n roll.

C'est la vie.

[isee]

huge said:

isee said:

sootyrumble said:

ManOpener said:

sootyrumble said:

for a tank astonishing i agree but compared to most other cars not really that impressive considering the power available, and on a twisty roady one struggled to keep up with my RX8 so dynamically seriously compromised by weight

I struggle to believe that for one moment. 296bhp/tonne versus 184bhp/tonne- that's not far off double the power to weight ratio. The RX8 is about 350kg lighter (but still a rather dumpy 1400-odd kg according to a quick google search), with less than half the power. I'd be inclined to say he wasn't pushing on

Power has very little use if you can't get it down ;-) and the RX8 is one of the best handling cars around, and the power delivery is different to most other cars. Oh and it only weighs 1310kg which is very good for its size :-P

Also when in my M5 on a very twisty road up in Scotland and in my BMW m5, I struggled to keep up with a











LAND ROVER DISCOVERY!


Does that mean:
a. the Disco is a faster or a better handling car
b. I was totally unfamiliar with the road
c. st driver
d. b and c

Edited by isee on Friday 23 July 10:24

c.

the answer is D.

Or more elaborately. Had the car for 3 weeks, my first poky car, unfamiliar road, GF nagging at me.
But at I hope at least the RX8 will be able to keep up with that Disco.

[sootyrumble]

These were the cars that made the best use of the BMW V10

Ascari A 10 http://www.supercars.net/cars/3324.html
Weismann MF5 http://www.wiesmann.com/en/models/gt_mf5

This is why i am sorry to see the back of that glorious V10 its a shame BMW never made an M1 using that engine it would have been sexual chocolate lol

[huge]

Actually......on the power v handling in the twisties thing....my wife (Puma 1.7)could comfortably keep me (Chimera 4l) behind her on a "proper" country road....also remember Ollie Marriage in EVO describing keeping an Audi TT at bay while piloting the long term Panda 100......handling and driver ability beats power on a twisty under normal circumstances.
However in the RX-8 v M6 debate......a car engineered/set up to be able to take quick corners at 150mph will always struggle to stay with one engineered/set up to take quick corners at 80mph...plus we are talking about sports car v GT in the sports cars natural hunting ground

[neil_bolton]

derestrictor said:

Interesting to read the ever hoon-empathetic Chris Harris, in the latest issue of EVO, ref the retirement of the V10 blitzkreiger; basically, a decision by the board of BMW to sit inconspicuously with the now endemic plague of mindless ecoweenery that stalks the globe.

Here, to comply with the scientific brilliance of Lorraine Kelly, the BBC and earnest handwringers currently infecting all former first world seats of power from Washington, via Downing St, through to Le Europarl whilst Mother Russia, the sub continent and China gratefully take over, shrouded by a haze of Hennessey Venom induced laughter.

The Board, not M Div, decided plumbing, not gloriously visceral, normal aspiration, was the way to promote it's crazy viggens. CO2, natch.

I'm quite sure the e63 M6 will enjoy a favourable retirement, eeking out a relatively low rent following in the manner of former, less favoured, GT superstars; a budgetesque, latter day Ghibli, in 20 years, perhaps.

Considerably more wieldy than its saloon sibling and a riot where conventional ignorance proclaims otherwise - the good news for those with a capacity for objectivity then subjective engagement is that it is precisely its 'marmite' reputation which will keep prices sensible and hopefully, in time, allow others to realise just how criminally misrepresented this fabulous creation truly is.

We live in a world where Lady Ga Ga not Led Zep is marketed as the new rock n roll.

C'est la vie.

>thud<

You're alive!

ps Der. Can I call you later?

[jellison]

How is anyone comparing an RX8 (pointless without the Turbo of teh RX7) with the Fatboy 6.

[huge]

Anyway...EVERY single person on here should mourn the loss of this type of car,regardless of the debate on looks/weight etc....
In 20 years when you are being driven by computer in your 1.0l Brussels-approved 100mpg Eurobox (max 62mph)and being spied on from above and charged for the privelege,lets see who thinks the M6 was such an undesirable car then ??

[y2blade]

madala said:

....thanks gawd for that....what a 'feck ugly stupid piece of crap.......

thanks for contributing cockwomble

[Gummy Sagoo]

Lost soul said:

madala said:

....thanks gawd for that....what a 'feck ugly stupid piece of crap.......

thanks for the contribution cocktard

y2blade said:

madala said:

....thanks gawd for that....what a 'feck ugly stupid piece of crap.......

thanks for contributing cockwomble

Is a cockwomble an upgrade from a cocktard?

[huge]

Gummy Sagoo said:

Lost soul said:

madala said:

....thanks gawd for that....what a 'feck ugly stupid piece of crap.......

thanks for the contribution cocktard

y2blade said:

madala said:

....thanks gawd for that....what a 'feck ugly stupid piece of crap.......

thanks for contributing cockwomble

Is a cockwomble an upgrade from a cocktard?

How is the filter letting them use cock when I called him a dhead...and got filtered ?

[jellison]

huge said:

Anyway...EVERY single person on here should mourn the loss of this type of car,regardless of the debate on looks/weight etc....
In 20 years when you are being driven by computer in your 1.0l Brussels-approved 100mpg Eurobox (max 62mph)and being spied on from above and charged for the privelege,lets see who thinks the M6 was such an undesirable car then ??

This 2 tonne pile of junk was always going to end up with pimps - "mourn the loss" - er Hardly!!

Edited by jellison on Friday 23 July 11:16

[Mermaid]

Mermaid said:

Lost soul said:

Mermaid said:

Lost soul said:

Mermaid said:

isee said:

.. The original M6 was unloved too at the beginning if i recall. Very desireable cars now.

Really? what sort of prices do these fetch compared to the 3.0 Coupes that preceded?

You mean the model before , the CS ?

Yes the E9? model. What's a pristine M635csi worth?

I think the CS's are starting to be worth big money , the M635SCi's are not far behind

I guess the CS's will will alway be worth more just on rarity , and the original CSL must be mega money now

Some E9 CSL's have gone for £100k, the M635 ? £20k, £25k..
AFAIK both of these were Karmann designs, not Bangled. And before the computer took over.

http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/classic-car-page.php/carno/50112

[madala]

Lost soul said:

madala said:

....thanks gawd for that....what a 'feck ugly stupid piece of crap.......

thanks for the contribution cocktard

....no sweat rsole.....

Edited by madala on Friday 23 July 11:22

[RDMcG]

I tracked mine a couple of times, but clearly this is not where the car shines. it is for me the default car for a long trip for two. Immensely comfortable, very fast,and handles well. No, its not a GT3, or a MX-5 for that matter. It was never beautiful, but I like its beefy, muscular appearance. I much preferred the programmable shift to the paddles in the Aston which I tried.
It is tough on fuel consumption and chews through tires at quite a pace. Some of the comments here seem to be trying to turn it into something its not. I have owned numerous cars that are far superior on the track and still have some of them, but they have their own compromises. I drive quite long distances for weekends..(500 miles each way) reasonably often. My wife can pack her stuff and there is lot of space for anything additional. Its not some kind of balls-to-the-wall car for amateur motorsport. The V10 is what sold me on the car, and it sounds glorious when run hard.

[sootyrumble]

Mermaid said:

Mermaid said:

Lost soul said:

Mermaid said:

Lost soul said:

Mermaid said:

isee said:

.. The original M6 was unloved too at the beginning if i recall. Very desireable cars now.

Really? what sort of prices do these fetch compared to the 3.0 Coupes that preceded?

You mean the model before , the CS ?

Yes the E9? model. What's a pristine M635csi worth?

I think the CS's are starting to be worth big money , the M635SCi's are not far behind

I guess the CS's will will alway be worth more just on rarity , and the original CSL must be mega money now

Some E9 CSL's have gone for £100k, the M635 ? £20k, £25k..
AFAIK both of these were Karmann designs, not Bangled. And before the computer took over.

http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/classic-car-page.php/carno/50112

this is a classic

this is not

[sootyrumble]

RDMcG said:

I tracked mine a couple of times, but clearly this is not where the car shines. it is for me the default car for a long trip for two. Immensely comfortable, very fast,and handles well. No, its not a GT3, or a MX-5 for that matter. It was never beautiful, but I like its beefy, muscular appearance. I much preferred the programmable shift to the paddles in the Aston which I tried.
It is tough on fuel consumption and chews through tires at quite a pace. Some of the comments here seem to be trying to turn it into something its not. I have owned numerous cars that are far superior on the track and still have some of them, but they have their own compromises. I drive quite long distances for weekends..(500 miles each way) reasonably often. My wife can pack her stuff and there is lot of space for anything additional. Its not some kind of balls-to-the-wall car for amateur motorsport. The V10 is what sold me on the car, and it sounds glorious when run hard.

But as my first point where all this came from why not an M5, looking at your requirementas the M5 would be even better at doing what you need?? It can carry more, has more space internally and does everything else for all intense and purposes the same?

[madala]

Whoops...OK....gonna fess up and apologise.....I got my BMWs mixed up....and didn't read the article just steamed in willy nilly.....story of my life..... thought the article was about the X6 which is IMO.....one ugly stupid piece of kit....yes...the M6 is certainly a different kettle of fish and although I am not huge fan of BMW it is a shame to see that one go.

I hope this makes amends.....

[RDMcG]

But as my first point where all this came from why not an M5, looking at your requirementas the M5 would be even better at doing what you need?? It can carry more, has more space internally and does everything else for all intense and purposes the same?
[/quote]

Boiled down to the fact that I truly disliked the appearance of the M5, ( i had had three E39s including an M5), and I did not mind the look of the M6. I was well aware of the fact that the performance differences were marginal. Also I have an SUV for towing and hauling dogs etc, so the practical need did not exist for four doors. No kids living at home so rarely take more than one passenger. Definitely a subjective choice.