RE: Report: Porsche Plans 5-series Rival
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ChipsAndCheese said:
Wills2 said:
I wonder how many people commenting on this thread have actually bought a new Porsche from a dealer?
Porsche couldn't give a fig what you think as most of you will never buy a new one, harsh but fair.
You probably didn't intend it to, but IMO that comes across as sounding quite arrogant. I also disagree with your point. Of course Porsche will care what people think. Just because someone hasn't bought a brand new Porsche from a dealer doesn't mean they can't afford to or won't in the future. The whole point on building something like this would be to attract new customers to the brand, not aim it only at these customers who have already bought a brand new Porsche. Porsche couldn't give a fig what you think as most of you will never buy a new one, harsh but fair.
You are right with your earlier comment that they would probably price it at £45k+. But who is to say that they won't later introduce a lower powered base model at around the £35k mark? It's at this point that I would be disappointed. I see so many mid to high end Mercs and BMWs near me that nothing in their range feels special to me, not even the most potent AMG or M models of the saloons trigger more than a mere quick second glance.
As someone who has always loved Porsches, I would hate it if I ended up feeling the same way about them as I do about BMWs.
Porsche isn't Ferrari or Lambo, they are a premium car maker that needs volume to make a profit and that's what they are attempting to do.
As for the arrogant comment well I get sick of some PH'ers slagging off Porsche for everything they do, this is crap, that's not right etc...
Wills2 said:
Thing is they already do a 35k car called the Boxster and have done for years, they also did the 924 etc..So they have been selling cars for the masses for years.
Porsche isn't Ferrari or Lambo, they are a premium car maker that needs volume to make a profit and that's what they are attempting to do.
As for the arrogant comment well I get sick of some PH'ers slagging off Porsche for everything they do, this is crap, that's not right etc...
Oh believe me I'm not one of those who is always looking to criticise Porsche.Porsche isn't Ferrari or Lambo, they are a premium car maker that needs volume to make a profit and that's what they are attempting to do.
As for the arrogant comment well I get sick of some PH'ers slagging off Porsche for everything they do, this is crap, that's not right etc...
Yes the Boxster sits at that price point already, but that is a sports car and is what Porsche do best. As you say, they have always had a couple of models below the 911 - 924/944/968, Boxster, Cayman. I like that (I own a Cayman so I should!) and have no problem with that - they're still proper Porsche sports cars and are true to the Porsche ethos.
I agree that Porsche should have a slightly more mainstream presence than Ferrari and Lamborghini (because of the aforementioned models) but I don't think they should to the extent that they become another Audi, BMW or Mercedes.
By moving heavily into the executive saloon market they will open themselves up to a whole load of company car buyers. Great for sales, but is there the risk of the Porsche badge becoming too common? And will that detract from the image of their wonderful sports cars?
I really hope that that doesn't happen but I guess we just have to put faith in the execs, trust that they know what is good for the brand, and wait and see.
ChipsAndCheese said:
is there the risk of the Porsche badge becoming too common? And will that detract from the image of their wonderful sports cars?
I would rather see Porsche put their badge on pretty much ANY class of car than build a f
king horrible vulgar theme park in the middle east.Many here seem to accept anything Porsche do and will end up buying anything they make. Its as simple as that. That is why there will be a market for Porsche's for some time to come.
Its the History, the image, the feeling, the sister cars, the race cars, the design cues, the whole gestalt; but of course increasingly not the car your buying- that is unless its simply horrific, which no German car is these days. The Germanization/Japanization of the motorcar has worked.
Its not about greatness its about image mixed with utility. j
Its the History, the image, the feeling, the sister cars, the race cars, the design cues, the whole gestalt; but of course increasingly not the car your buying- that is unless its simply horrific, which no German car is these days. The Germanization/Japanization of the motorcar has worked.
Its not about greatness its about image mixed with utility. j
Edited by j123 on Saturday 26th March 19:36
j123 said:
a a a, I got from her son...
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/cargrouptests/2563...
"You at least know where you are with the Maserati, though. Slip into the Porsche’s firm seat, get comfy and survey the cabin and there’s much to like, to feel good about. All-surface sandy brownness not withstanding, it is obviously a high-quality item, the stoutness of its build and fineness of its finish matched only by the Bentley. It feels nicely polished pulling away, too, the PDK gearbox smooth, the V8 throbbing softly, but the contrast with the dynamic feel of the Maserati and Aston is stark. After a couple of corners you realise you’re more aware of the weight, after a couple more that you’re not quite connected, either through the steering – which feels quick witted but disconnected – or the seat of your pants.
On the default damper setting, the Panamera feels floaty and bothered by the surface, failing to deal with bumps decisively. It’s an uncomfortable feeling. Where in the Aston you plan your lines and clipping points, measuring out the power and rolling your wrists to get you there, in the Porsche you feel like your best hope is an approximate line. And when the road gets properly turbulent you have to set the dampers on maximum firmness otherwise when you crest and turn it feels like the body is headed one way and the chassis the other."
So your opinion is not really yours, but that of a journalist? You sound so completely convinced too!http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/cargrouptests/2563...
"You at least know where you are with the Maserati, though. Slip into the Porsche’s firm seat, get comfy and survey the cabin and there’s much to like, to feel good about. All-surface sandy brownness not withstanding, it is obviously a high-quality item, the stoutness of its build and fineness of its finish matched only by the Bentley. It feels nicely polished pulling away, too, the PDK gearbox smooth, the V8 throbbing softly, but the contrast with the dynamic feel of the Maserati and Aston is stark. After a couple of corners you realise you’re more aware of the weight, after a couple more that you’re not quite connected, either through the steering – which feels quick witted but disconnected – or the seat of your pants.
On the default damper setting, the Panamera feels floaty and bothered by the surface, failing to deal with bumps decisively. It’s an uncomfortable feeling. Where in the Aston you plan your lines and clipping points, measuring out the power and rolling your wrists to get you there, in the Porsche you feel like your best hope is an approximate line. And when the road gets properly turbulent you have to set the dampers on maximum firmness otherwise when you crest and turn it feels like the body is headed one way and the chassis the other."
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