ULEZ charge in 2021
Discussion
NomduJour said:
Killboy said:
Its great on a bicycle 
Unfortunately bicycles aren’t much use for moving more than one sweaty person, or as ambulances, fire engines or delivery vehicles. You know, exactly the sort of things a large city actually needs (rather than middle-aged Strava heroes). The cycle lanes are always empty out of commuting times.
Speaking of sweaty strava heros: 2016's stats from TFL: http://content.tfl.gov.uk/pic-161130-07-cycle-quie... and read: https://lcc.org.uk/articles/tfl-releases-new-cycle...
https://lcc.org.uk/articles/tfl-releases-new-cycle-superhighways-quietways-stats said:
“At peak times, the new cycling infrastructure moves an average of 46 per cent of people along the route at key congested locations, despite occupying only 30 per cent of the road space. Two weeks after opening, the CSEW and CSNS corridors are moving five per cent more people per hour than they could without cycle lanes”
So more people per hour, for less pollution? Sounds like a win. Also a wealth of statistics on commute times to see if it had any actual affect.DonkeyApple said:
Not that they will ever work in London. I’m yet to meet a Londoner who would stop and wait for a ZX81 on wheels when it has been programmed to stop and wait for us.
The real benefit of self driving cars is that we will no longer have to wait to cross the road but will be free to walk where we want, whenever we want. As will cyclists and anyone who isn’t in a mode of transport that can be identified electronically via a camera.
Absolutely right. A bit of design flaw. Great fun for scrotes and drunk students, let's see how many cars we can stop just by jumping off the kerb.The real benefit of self driving cars is that we will no longer have to wait to cross the road but will be free to walk where we want, whenever we want. As will cyclists and anyone who isn’t in a mode of transport that can be identified electronically via a camera.
NomduJour said:
Point being this is congestion caused by incredibly badly-planned bike lanes. (Lol etc). Even the most retarded Lycra militant can surely see that.
Sure. I could see that. I just dont see any other way. Motorists have proven time and time again they cannot share their road with cyclists C70R said:
danllama said:
j_4m said:
Again, I'm not opposed to the ULEZ in Z1. I don't like it, but I'll accept it if it can demonstrably reduce PM levels. The expanded ULEZ is wholly unnecessary and will hit people with low incomes unfairly, whilst having little positive impact on quality of life.
This is the rub of it for me. I really don't know how we've got to a point where millions of people are going to allow TFL to do this.Zone 1-2 6am-7pm fine. But there is absolutely no good reason for inflicting this financial burden on the working people of Greater London 24/7. It's disgusting.
There are over 350,000 compliant petrol and diesel cars available to buy on Autotrader, with almost 10,000 available for £1500 or less. All of these cars can travel in the ULEZ free of charge. In fact, chances are that most cars already on the road (if AT is representative of the general population's cars) are already compliant.
How is this a "financial burden" or hitting "people with low incomes unfairly"?
People like you are part of the problem. You validate politicians sticking their hands in our pockets for any reason they can think of.
NomduJour said:
C70R said:
That works out just fine. Once all of those selfishly single-crewed cars in Central London are replaced by bicycles, then there will be lots of space for "ambulances, fire engines or delivery vehicles".
Complete nonsense, I’m afraid - just look at one of the many clips of emergency vehicles stuck alongside empty bike lanes - there are virtually no private cars there. Must try harder. croyde said:
Selling a car is a ballache that I'd like to avoid as much as possible.
Then the easy solution is to drive it infrequently, and pay the charge.Or, you could engage a bit of initiative and read up about the residents' exemption scheme, which gives you until October 2021 to muster up the courage to write an Autotrader ad.
C70R said:
Then the easy solution is to drive it infrequently, and pay the charge.
Or, you could engage a bit of initiative and read up about the residents' exemption scheme, which gives you until October 2021 to muster up the courage to write an Autotrader ad.
As I live just outside the zone, I won't get exemption but what I may well do is buy a second car as my daily is much cherished and loved (plus worth bugger all).Or, you could engage a bit of initiative and read up about the residents' exemption scheme, which gives you until October 2021 to muster up the courage to write an Autotrader ad.
Now I wonder how many people may do that.
As I said before, I should have kept the CO2 breathing Mustang 5.0 V8, as it was compliant.
I agree with cutting pollution and cars in London it is just, as is usual, being done in such a cack handed manner.
croyde said:
C70R said:
Then the easy solution is to drive it infrequently, and pay the charge.
Or, you could engage a bit of initiative and read up about the residents' exemption scheme, which gives you until October 2021 to muster up the courage to write an Autotrader ad.
As I live just outside the zone, I won't get exemption but what I may well do is buy a second car as my daily is much cherished and loved (plus worth bugger all)..Or, you could engage a bit of initiative and read up about the residents' exemption scheme, which gives you until October 2021 to muster up the courage to write an Autotrader ad.
Anyone would think that this thread was full of unsubstantiated, poorly-researched wibbling...
The ULEZ charge is just another money making scam disguised as protecting the environment. Anyone who lives in the zone and the planned extension that has a car registered before 2005 is in trouble. Either sell up or pay up. Any diesel registered before 2015 is likely to get charged too. They are forcing people into a corner.
Always-Honda said:
The ULEZ charge is just another money making scam disguised as protecting the environment. Anyone who lives in the zone and the planned extension that has a car registered before 2005 is in trouble. Either sell up or pay up. Any diesel registered before 2015 is likely to get charged too. They are forcing people into a corner.
I'm sure the several million of us who will be affected can chip together and buy some of those Autotrader bargains, maybe organise a car share.Why not just get everyone effected to park on the Circulars and go to work. Totally screw London for a week or more. They wouldn’t be able to clear the cars and the message would get through quite clearly.
But all anyone will do is sign a petition because they can’t really be arsed to actually do anything positive to stop it.
People with old cars have jobs so can’t take time away so just use their cars as the means of bringing London to a total and devastating halt. The shops would start to empty of goods in hours.
It would also highlight instantly the shortage of alternative public transport solutions.
But all anyone will do is sign a petition because they can’t really be arsed to actually do anything positive to stop it.
People with old cars have jobs so can’t take time away so just use their cars as the means of bringing London to a total and devastating halt. The shops would start to empty of goods in hours.
It would also highlight instantly the shortage of alternative public transport solutions.
C70R said:
You're going to have to post some response time data pre/post cycle lanes to back that one up, old chap. Otherwise it's just a rant...
After having a brief look, there don’t appear to be specific enough ways of recording that data (not surprising, given that not everyone always takes ill/catches fire/becomes a victim of crime in the same place at the same time). However, it must be patently clear to even the most fervent TfL acolyte that if your ambulance is heading on that East/West route post-cycle lanes, it is extremely likely to be stuck in congestion that wasn’t there before - hence innumerable pictures of ambulances etc. stuck on roads with bike lanes. To suggest otherwise is stupid (as is to blame that same resulting congestion on private cars).
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