ULEZ charge in 2021

[braddo]

NomduJour said:

Also, rent controls - really?

Dunno, but soaring rents and uncertainty of tenancy terms (i.e. the threat of no-fault evictions) are 2 massive sources of stress for people on low incomes; far bigger issues than the 'regressive' ULEZ.

UK Govt kicked the can down the road. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67187411

So presumably the people on here who are anti-ULEZ out of compassion for their fellow man will be voting Labour at the next election. Or are they full of st and annoyed that they are caught personally by the ULEZ?

[Randy Winkman]

braddo said:

turbobloke said:

All hail Khan The Regressive.

All you guys using the work 'regressive' must really care about those less fortunate than you. You must be fuming at how Tory governments of the past 13 years have squeezed the working class with decimated public services, cuts to benefits, pathetic investment in council housing, nothing done about rent controls and tenant rights etc. I expect you're all ready to place more tax burden on the broadest shoulders to help level-up British society.

You'll all be enthusiastic voters for Labour at the next election, right?

I do think the new-found concern from many about poor people is reassuring. Probably the best thing to come out of ULEZ. I hope it will last.

[swisstoni]

braddo said:

swisstoni said:

Clearly they are the wrong type of ‘less fortunate’ for you to give a toss about.

You object to the ULEZ because it affects you personally (which expensive sports car you can drive/own), not because you care for the welfare of those less fortunate than you. It's not the ULEZ which has caused a decade-long cost of living crisis for millions of people in the UK.

And if the Tory UK government wasn't using TFL funding as a poison pill to try to oust a Labour London mayor, we wouldn't be in the current situation (there would either be no ULEZ expansion or there would have been a properly funded scrappage scheme). So when you pretend to have sympathy for the people who are struggling with the impact of the ULEZ, remember it's the Tories who are giving them the kicking, and for the sole reason of the Tories' self interest in the London mayoral race.

Since you brought my situation up, I have a very close relative who lives just outside the zone. She hasn’t got a lot of money but bought a used car a few years ago and has looked after it hoping to get years of service out of it.
She is a great grandmother and ALL of her family now live the other side of a border she has had no say in and pay £12.50 to an administration where she has no vote.

[SlimJim16v]

The Bladerunners thread has vanished.

[valiant]

SlimJim16v said:

The Bladerunners thread has vanished.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=205&t=2045575

[andy43]

braddo said:

NomduJour said:

Also, rent controls - really?

Dunno, but soaring rents and uncertainty of tenancy terms (i.e. the threat of no-fault evictions) are 2 massive sources of stress for people on low incomes; far bigger issues than the 'regressive' ULEZ.

UK Govt kicked the can down the road. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67187411

So presumably the people on here who are anti-ULEZ out of compassion for their fellow man will be voting Labour at the next election. Or are they full of st and annoyed that they are caught personally by the ULEZ?

Every single thing policiticans have done to the rental market has made it worse.
Remove tax relief on mortgage interest = less LLs.
Propose EPC grade C (now scrapped) as min requirement = less LLs.
Propose S21 removal (now kicked down road) = less LLs.
Interest rate rises after "budget" = less LLs and probably more tenants.
Councils charging for licences = less LLs.
Rent controls?

[braddo]

andy43 said:

Every single thing policiticans have done to the rental market has made it worse.
Remove tax relief on mortgage interest = less LLs.
Propose EPC grade C (now scrapped) as min requirement = less LLs.
Propose S21 removal (now kicked down road) = less LLs.
Interest rate rises after "budget" = less LLs and probably more tenants.
Councils charging for licences = less LLs.
Rent controls?

That's all from the landlord perspective. Not that the govt has done much good for the tenants either... Making buy-to-let less attractive ought to help free up properties for owner-occupancy, which is positive.

[hemidom]

braddo said:

So presumably the people on here who are anti-ULEZ out of compassion for their fellow man will be voting Labour at the next election. Or are they full of st and annoyed that they are caught personally by the ULEZ?

Your problem here is Labour don't give a toss about people either. They dress it up like they do but things won't be any different when they take over after the next election.

[braddo]

swisstoni said:

Since you brought my situation up, I have a very close relative who lives just outside the zone. She hasn’t got a lot of money but bought a used car a few years ago and has looked after it hoping to get years of service out of it.
She is a great grandmother and ALL of her family now live the other side of a border she has had no say in and pay £12.50 to an administration where she has no vote.

Fair enough. Luckily she knows a car enthusiast who can help with trading in her current car for a small compliant car, which will provide years of reliable, low cost service.

[NomduJour]

braddo said:

Making buy-to-let less attractive ought to help free up properties for owner-occupancy, which is positive

It will only reduce rental supply for the people you apparently want to help. Anyway, ULEZ.

[groomi]

braddo said:

turbobloke said:

All hail Khan The Regressive.

All you guys using the work 'regressive' must really care about those less fortunate than you. You must be fuming at how Tory governments of the past 13 years have squeezed the working class with decimated public services, cuts to benefits, pathetic investment in council housing, nothing done about rent controls and tenant rights etc. I expect you're all ready to place more tax burden on the broadest shoulders to help level-up British society.

You'll all be enthusiastic voters for Labour at the next election, right?

Yes.

(Although I don't expect labour to be the answer to all our problems, they can at least get the current bunch of criminals out of Government)

[turbobloke]

groomi said:

braddo said:

turbobloke said:

All hail Khan The Regressive.

All you guys using the work 'regressive' must really care about those less fortunate than you. You must be fuming at how Tory governments of the past 13 years have squeezed the working class with decimated public services, cuts to benefits, pathetic investment in council housing, nothing done about rent controls and tenant rights etc. I expect you're all ready to place more tax burden on the broadest shoulders to help level-up British society.

You'll all be enthusiastic voters for Labour at the next election, right?

Yes.

(Although I don't expect labour to be the answer to all our problems, they can at least get the current bunch of criminals out of Government)

Preferring progressive policies including with motoring taxes and other taxes - which covers congestion and ulez - I can now vote for my local Conservative candidate for the possibility of getting Cameron's influence (aka Blue Labour) in Cabinet thanks to Rishi's appointment...oh joy of joys

[Graveworm]

braddo said:

NomduJour said:

Also, rent controls - really?

Dunno, but soaring rents and uncertainty of tenancy terms (i.e. the threat of no-fault evictions) are 2 massive sources of stress for people on low incomes; far bigger issues than the 'regressive' ULEZ.

UK Govt kicked the can down the road. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67187411

So presumably the people on here who are anti-ULEZ out of compassion for their fellow man will be voting Labour at the next election. Or are they full of st and annoyed that they are caught personally by the ULEZ?

Labour have never reduced absolute poverty or improved the economy compared to the average of the G20 not once. Rhetoric and ideology is no substitute for economics. Don't get me wrong I can't vote for the current shower and I have voted Labour before but the less well off get lost in the big gestures and flagship policies.

[Billy_Rosewood]

Interesting stuff for the die hard Khan fans out there...

Misleading adverts about benefits of ULEZ -
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/18/sadiq-...

Remember when Sadiq said pay-per-mile wasn't on his radar? Perhaps because he "doesn't recognise" it by that name.. TFLs codenamed it Project Detroit. It was just a conspiracy theory, no? -
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/sadiq-khan-...

[valiant]

Billy_Rosewood said:

Interesting stuff for the die hard Khan fans out there...


Remember when Sadiq said pay-per-mile wasn't on his radar? Perhaps because he "doesn't recognise" it by that name.. TFLs codenamed it Project Detroit. It was just a conspiracy theory, no? -
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/sadiq-khan-...

Bloody mayor contemplating PPM.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1219811/1...

Oh wait, it was the previous one…

Actually, TfL have been looking into this for yonks and I believe it started under Red Ken. It isn’t anything nefarious under Khan, it’s a transport authority doing what a transport authority does in its constantly looking into different projects and schemes or see if they could be beneficial so that if a mayor or government says ‘we want to do this’, then most of the preparatory work has already been looked into.

[Billy_Rosewood]

You've somewhat missed the point of the article.

[DonkeyApple]

hemidom said:

Your problem here is Labour don't give a toss about people either. They dress it up like they do but things won't be any different when they take over after the next election.

Some people are in for a bit of a shock. Starting with poor Starmer. . The bloke isn't going to know what's hit him when the real leaders of the party of hate step up and start kicking the working poor.

It's depressing to see the simplicity of the last few pages that somehow one can only have a few that the poorer shouldn't be excessively taxed as an excuse to avoid one's own taxation as opposed to actually holding a moral, libertarian view on society that sees 'divide and rule' politics for the invidious crime that it is.

We will have a new govt next year and it will be run by the regional barons who are all proven liars and vendors of third world practices. I doubt it will be as remotely pleasant as the Cool Britannia crew of '97 who deliberately and knowingly removed the credit regulations to create the greatest asset bubble of all time so that property owners could feel like millionaires and renters and low income workers could just borrow from Wonga and give themselves their own pay rise whenever they wanted so corporates didn't have to worry about wage inflation.

Trying to boil morality down to left or right is a failure of thinking. It's the mindset of the footballist who can't comprehend a world without two sides or where love isn't a byproduct of hate and vice versa. Morality does not recognise the concept of left or right.

To actually hold such a political conviction that makes one believe that others must also be lying for personal gain is sad to see.

In reality, whatever someone's political leanings some people don't let those stand in the path of morality. And the deliberate singling out of a minority group as a scapegoat for implementing an all encompassing tax and knowingly lying to foment a social division isn't just the epitome of immorality but in a country as wealthy as this one and as developed it is evil.

And rejoicing in it just because you don't like the smell of one or two vehicles where you've chosen to live, while thinking the thousands more vehicles delivering the bulk of the private transport pollution are fine? Well, there really isn't much to be said about.

Edited by DonkeyApple on Monday 20th November 07:30

[2gins]

Billy_Rosewood said:

Interesting stuff for the die hard Khan fans out there...

Misleading adverts about benefits of ULEZ -
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/18/sadiq-...

Remember when Sadiq said pay-per-mile wasn't on his radar? Perhaps because he "doesn't recognise" it by that name.. TFLs codenamed it Project Detroit. It was just a conspiracy theory, no? -
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/sadiq-khan-...

Nearly 100 people working on it and he doesn't know what it is

Either a terminal liar or a useless idiot

[swisstoni]

2gins said:

Billy_Rosewood said:

Interesting stuff for the die hard Khan fans out there...

Misleading adverts about benefits of ULEZ -
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/18/sadiq-...

Remember when Sadiq said pay-per-mile wasn't on his radar? Perhaps because he "doesn't recognise" it by that name.. TFLs codenamed it Project Detroit. It was just a conspiracy theory, no? -
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/sadiq-khan-...

Nearly 100 people working on it and he doesn't know what it is

Either a terminal liar or a useless idiot

Project Detroit is quite a name given the steady decline of that once great city.

[RSTurboPaul]

To ask a question that I've probably missed being covered because I've not read the whole thread...


What happened following that article about the LEZ signage not being lawful (therefore ULEZ signage not being lawful)?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/08/28/ulez-s...

I'm guessing that fines are still being sent out etc. etc., - is it possible to challenge ULEZ tickets on the basis of the tribunal's ruling or has that been sorted out now?