Ask a car salesman anything...anything at all (Vol. 2).
Discussion
NMNeil said:
bristolracer said:
Boris has announced 2030 as the end of new ICE sales
What changes will this bring?
Less dealerships?
Less choice of cars? Some manufacturers withdrawing from the UK market?
Less workshops/mechanics?
Would mechanics need to pass some sort of test and be licensed to work on EV's?What changes will this bring?
Less dealerships?
Less choice of cars? Some manufacturers withdrawing from the UK market?
Less workshops/mechanics?
A house electrician needs to be licensed due to safety concerns, because if he gets it wrong he could burn a house down. Should the same logic be applied to a car with a 30Kw battery pack comprised of volatile lithium, which has the same, maybe greater potential for disaster?
https://www.businessinsider.com/rich-benoit-mechan...
I’m sure that mechanics will do some sort of course dealing with procedures for handling batteries and associated whatnots just as they follow procedures dealing with other fuels.
Follow the procedures, everyone safe. Start cutting corners then you may be in a world of hurt, just as with petrol.
NMNeil said:
Would mechanics need to pass some sort of test and be licensed to work on EV's?
A house electrician needs to be licensed due to safety concerns, because if he gets it wrong he could burn a house down. Should the same logic be applied to a car with a 30Kw battery pack comprised of volatile lithium, which has the same, maybe greater potential for disaster?
https://www.businessinsider.com/rich-benoit-mechan...
I would be surprised if they didn't.A house electrician needs to be licensed due to safety concerns, because if he gets it wrong he could burn a house down. Should the same logic be applied to a car with a 30Kw battery pack comprised of volatile lithium, which has the same, maybe greater potential for disaster?
https://www.businessinsider.com/rich-benoit-mechan...
valiant said:
How’s it different to working on a car with gallons of explosive liquids under the boot?
I’m sure that mechanics will do some sort of course dealing with procedures for handling batteries and associated whatnots just as they follow procedures dealing with other fuels.
Follow the procedures, everyone safe. Start cutting corners then you may be in a world of hurt, just as with petrol.
I'm not an expert on the workings of an EV but I assume that if you tinker with the wrong electric parts you may cause yourself a nasty shock?I’m sure that mechanics will do some sort of course dealing with procedures for handling batteries and associated whatnots just as they follow procedures dealing with other fuels.
Follow the procedures, everyone safe. Start cutting corners then you may be in a world of hurt, just as with petrol.
tear through a fuel line and nothing will happen.
SpeckledJim said:
I think manufacturers are already putting restrictions on who can work on the new 48V electrical systems in ICE cars. Potentially very dangerous.
Yep, we have 2 guys who work on EV's, they are the only ones who are allowed too, both have had extensive training to do so by the manufacturer, whether or not its some official industry certification I don't know though.A previous guy who left to go to VW who (at the time) was the only tech we had trained up to work on EV's, wasn't permitted to work on VW EV's until he'd been on the specific VW training.
HTP99 said:
Yep, we have 2 guys who work on EV's, they are the only ones who are allowed too, both have had extensive training to do so by the manufacturer, whether or not its some official industry certification I don't know though.
A previous guy who left to go to VW who (at the time) was the only tech we had trained up to work on EV's, wasn't permitted to work on VW EV's until he'd been on the specific VW training.
There we go I’m sure there will be an industry certification.A previous guy who left to go to VW who (at the time) was the only tech we had trained up to work on EV's, wasn't permitted to work on VW EV's until he'd been on the specific VW training.
I know in some countries even to be a mechanic you need to have a licence .
robsco said:
Does anyone here work for Audi? I need a service history print for a part exchange if anyone can help? The dealerships are being their usual friendly selves! Thanks in advance.
You should be able to register for Erwin and get it yourself.Pretty sure anyone can register and the service system is free of charge.
jamoor said:
I'm not an expert on the workings of an EV but I assume that if you tinker with the wrong electric parts you may cause yourself a nasty shock?
tear through a fuel line and nothing will happen.
btear through a fuel line and nothing will happen.
ks, I know several people that have seriously injured themselves working on cars and petrol igniting.Just a general market question for sales bods, how is the market now - usual for this time of year, quieter, values steady or volatile?
I'd been looking to change in August/September, but dealerships seemed to have more business than they knew what to do with and it seemed a sellers market.
For the cars I've been looking at sticker prices still seem around the same as back in August, but the apparent value of my part-ex (on webuyanycar etc) has dropped 10% in a couple of months, doesnt make sense to me!
I'd been looking to change in August/September, but dealerships seemed to have more business than they knew what to do with and it seemed a sellers market.
For the cars I've been looking at sticker prices still seem around the same as back in August, but the apparent value of my part-ex (on webuyanycar etc) has dropped 10% in a couple of months, doesnt make sense to me!
yellowbentines said:
Just a general market question for sales bods, how is the market now - usual for this time of year, quieter, values steady or volatile?
I'd been looking to change in August/September, but dealerships seemed to have more business than they knew what to do with and it seemed a sellers market.
For the cars I've been looking at sticker prices still seem around the same as back in August, but the apparent value of my part-ex (on webuyanycar etc) has dropped 10% in a couple of months, doesnt make sense to me!
Yes, also interested to hear about this. December is always a quiet month, but how has Q4 been? From an outsider's point of view, it seems like prices are strong and people are still buying cars.I'd been looking to change in August/September, but dealerships seemed to have more business than they knew what to do with and it seemed a sellers market.
For the cars I've been looking at sticker prices still seem around the same as back in August, but the apparent value of my part-ex (on webuyanycar etc) has dropped 10% in a couple of months, doesnt make sense to me!
Also a question for the used car salesmen on here, seeing as we've had a few recent Shed of the Week articles on low mileage vanilla cars, what are your thoughts when you see a "modern classics" dealer selling a boring vanilla 1990s car for an optimistic price? Do you secretly think to yourself "ha ha, somebody probably only gave £250 for that as a part exchange"?
valiant said:
How’s it different to working on a car with gallons of explosive liquids under the boot?
I’m sure that mechanics will do some sort of course dealing with procedures for handling batteries and associated whatnots just as they follow procedures dealing with other fuels.
Follow the procedures, everyone safe. Start cutting corners then you may be in a world of hurt, just as with petrol.
But as far as I'm aware anyone in the UK can call themselves a mechanic, arm themselves with a Fisher-Price toolkit and work on the brakes, steering, suspension or high pressure fuels system on an ICE car.I’m sure that mechanics will do some sort of course dealing with procedures for handling batteries and associated whatnots just as they follow procedures dealing with other fuels.
Follow the procedures, everyone safe. Start cutting corners then you may be in a world of hurt, just as with petrol.
I just had visions that in a few years time a Tesla owner being quoted a horrendous amount of money by the dealer instead takes his car to the local, "I'm a mekanik" working out of his front yard.
NMNeil said:
valiant said:
How’s it different to working on a car with gallons of explosive liquids under the boot?
I’m sure that mechanics will do some sort of course dealing with procedures for handling batteries and associated whatnots just as they follow procedures dealing with other fuels.
Follow the procedures, everyone safe. Start cutting corners then you may be in a world of hurt, just as with petrol.
But as far as I'm aware anyone in the UK can call themselves a mechanic, arm themselves with a Fisher-Price toolkit and work on the brakes, steering, suspension or high pressure fuels system on an ICE car.I’m sure that mechanics will do some sort of course dealing with procedures for handling batteries and associated whatnots just as they follow procedures dealing with other fuels.
Follow the procedures, everyone safe. Start cutting corners then you may be in a world of hurt, just as with petrol.
I just had visions that in a few years time a Tesla owner being quoted a horrendous amount of money by the dealer instead takes his car to the local, "I'm a mekanik" working out of his front yard.
I expect a few people will electrocute themselves.
SpeckledJim said:
Unless working on cars becomes a regulated profession (not bloody likely), then that's going to happen. In fact, I think it'd happen even if it did.
I expect a few people will electrocute themselves.
You need a license to be a hairdresser.I expect a few people will electrocute themselves.
I've had some very dubious haircuts over the years, but none have been so bad as to be life threatening, unlike many car 'repairs' I've seen.
NMNeil said:
SpeckledJim said:
Unless working on cars becomes a regulated profession (not bloody likely), then that's going to happen. In fact, I think it'd happen even if it did.
I expect a few people will electrocute themselves.
You need a license to be a hairdresser.I expect a few people will electrocute themselves.
I've had some very dubious haircuts over the years, but none have been so bad as to be life threatening, unlike many car 'repairs' I've seen.
NMNeil said:
SpeckledJim said:
Unless working on cars becomes a regulated profession (not bloody likely), then that's going to happen. In fact, I think it'd happen even if it did.
I expect a few people will electrocute themselves.
You need a license to be a hairdresser.I expect a few people will electrocute themselves.
I've had some very dubious haircuts over the years, but none have been so bad as to be life threatening, unlike many car 'repairs' I've seen.
To answer other questions, we’re still finding it quite busy. We’ve nearly caught up on the quarter and have done this months target already. The year is obviously way off but that was always going to be the case with lockdowns happening throughout the year.
Fastpedeller said:
When I worked in a 'car repairers' (for a very short period) it was commonplace (to save a few seconds) for the fitters to shear a wheel stud using the air wrench and then spend over 1/2 hr fixing it ...... by clamping the brake disc in a vice and hammering away! Absolutely horrific, and next day it would happen again.
In 24 years in the motor trade, I've never seen that happen. You must have worked at a pretty shoddy garage...Fast Bug said:
Fastpedeller said:
When I worked in a 'car repairers' (for a very short period) it was commonplace (to save a few seconds) for the fitters to shear a wheel stud using the air wrench and then spend over 1/2 hr fixing it ...... by clamping the brake disc in a vice and hammering away! Absolutely horrific, and next day it would happen again.
In 24 years in the motor trade, I've never seen that happen. You must have worked at a pretty shoddy garage...They got MOT's via the post (I kid ye not) - car unseen (this was 17 years ago).
Put imports through SVA test by putting brake fluid on the rear brakes (thus avoiding the cost of the appropriate valve to limit the rear braking.
Shoddy doesn't cover it!
The Rotrex Kid said:
NMNeil said:
SpeckledJim said:
Unless working on cars becomes a regulated profession (not bloody likely), then that's going to happen. In fact, I think it'd happen even if it did.
I expect a few people will electrocute themselves.
You need a license to be a hairdresser.I expect a few people will electrocute themselves.
I've had some very dubious haircuts over the years, but none have been so bad as to be life threatening, unlike many car 'repairs' I've seen.
To answer other questions, we’re still finding it quite busy. We’ve nearly caught up on the quarter and have done this months target already. The year is obviously way off but that was always going to be the case with lockdowns happening throughout the year.
However, anyone can set themselves up as a chiropodist with zero training, to carry out things that include minor surgical procedures (it’s not just cutting nails).
State registered chiropodists carry a certain combination of letters after their name, but random chancers can put exactly the same but with a single letter changed by signing up to a pretend organisation, thus implying they are the same as qualified chiropodists.
Back to cars, sorry!
Morning all
I’m in the market for a used VW Golf, up to 3 years old, therefore either the Mk7.5 or possibly even the early Mk8 which will be 1 year old in March 2021- looking for PCP, have a reasonable deposit and working within a budget from my car allowance.
Couple of initial chats about the Mk8 with salespeople who suggest the Mk8 is flying off forecourts during lockdown and no room to negotiate at all. Others say that the 7.5 is selling better with people turned off by some aspects of the 8. Others then also say that up to 1 year old Mk8 have access to a lower rate of interest from VWFS compared to standard used cars, such as months older 7.5 and can’t/won’t come closer in finance rates on the slightly older cars
I know there will be elements of truth in all statements and I know they’ll all be trying to sell what stock they have at that moment in time
What’s the trades take on demand for the Mk8 to date? Too early to tell or a damp squib?
I’m in the market for a used VW Golf, up to 3 years old, therefore either the Mk7.5 or possibly even the early Mk8 which will be 1 year old in March 2021- looking for PCP, have a reasonable deposit and working within a budget from my car allowance.
Couple of initial chats about the Mk8 with salespeople who suggest the Mk8 is flying off forecourts during lockdown and no room to negotiate at all. Others say that the 7.5 is selling better with people turned off by some aspects of the 8. Others then also say that up to 1 year old Mk8 have access to a lower rate of interest from VWFS compared to standard used cars, such as months older 7.5 and can’t/won’t come closer in finance rates on the slightly older cars
I know there will be elements of truth in all statements and I know they’ll all be trying to sell what stock they have at that moment in time
What’s the trades take on demand for the Mk8 to date? Too early to tell or a damp squib?
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