SUV Hatred

[Julian Scott]

otolith said:

The problem with the "sitting higher helps me see more" thing is that your ability to see more comes at the expense of the person behind you. Who maybe then also wants a taller car, until everyone has taller cars and nobody can see any more than they could before.

Except it doesn't, at least until the invisible car arrives. Anyone who can't safely follow an SUV/van/bus/truck/etc shouldn't be on the road.

[Julian Scott]

Unreal said:

I love this thread. The justifications just get better and better. Keep 'em coming please.

The justifications are non-existent beyond 'because I wanted one'. The demands for justifications however are relentless, and relentlessly funny.

[Julian Scott]

popeyewhite said:

I must admit to confliction. I hate SUVs, yet love my Range Rover. Can we have a distinction between proper 4x4s and SUVs? I loathe the sight of a single person driving a vast troop carrier 2 miles on a school run, yet sometimes myself nip a short distance to take the dog out. I suspect I may be a bit of a hypocrit.

Proper 4x4s being those that actually have 4x4?

But you are right to love your Range Rover SUV. Fantastic.

[Julian Scott]

georgezippy said:

Am I the only one who's been waiting at a junction/roundabout and a Range Rover (or similar) pulls up in the lane to my right and I then can't see over the bonnet so can't see what's coming.
Now I have to wait until it's gone and begin my waiting for a gap all over again.
It's not illegal but it does inconvenience others, but as long as you're ok........

Perhaps driving training is your answer.

If this behemoth truck next to you moves it is doubly safe for you to do so. Your bad driving in not doing so is what causes increased traffic delays.

[Julian Scott]

nickfrog said:

georgezippy said:

Am I the only one who's been waiting at a junction/roundabout and a Range Rover (or similar) pulls up in the lane to my right and I then can't see over the bonnet so can't see what's coming.
Now I have to wait until it's gone and begin my waiting for a gap all over again.
It's not illegal but it does inconvenience others, but as long as you're ok........

The same thing could happen if you're in a Lotus and a RS6 does that to you.

BLOODY RS6 ESTATES. WHY DOES ANYONE FEEL THEY [B]NEED]/B] TO DRIVE THEM?

[Julian Scott]

BikeSausage said:

Square Leg said:

BikeSausage said:

Fair but predictable point. I guess you wouldn’t buy it if you didn’t like it / want it.

My follow-up question would be why do you like it / want? For curiousity’s sake. That’s what we don’t often get an honest answer to.

That question could be levelled at absolutely anyone with a vehicle.

Edited by Square Leg on Friday 28th October 23:08

Yup.

But SUV haters never accept an actual honest answer.

EFA

[Julian Scott]

EggsBenedict said:

I certainly don't hate the idea of the OPs Jag. However, f it were me, I might have gone for the equivalent FFRR.

Thing is, the equivalent FFRR doesn't exist, and the closest thing is far bigger and about double the cost. Would be a stunning car though.

[Julian Scott]

otolith said:

Indeed, as with anyone who needs a higher driving position to see where he's going.

But that person doesn't exist, except in tiny minds

[Julian Scott]

otolith said:

Julian Scott said:

otolith said:

Indeed, as with anyone who needs a higher driving position to see where he's going.

But that person doesn't exist, except in tiny minds

Appears to be a frequently cited reason for wanting a tall car.

Where?

All I've seen is people citing it as a benefit, not a 'need' to see where they are going?

[Julian Scott]

otolith said:

Julian Scott said:

otolith said:

Julian Scott said:

otolith said:

Indeed, as with anyone who needs a higher driving position to see where he's going.

But that person doesn't exist, except in tiny minds

Appears to be a frequently cited reason for wanting a tall car.

Where?

All I've seen is people citing it as a benefit, not a 'need' to see where they are going?

And I've not seen anyone claiming that they "can't safely follow an SUV/van/bus/truck/etc".

You get a tall car. You get better visibility. Other people around you get worse visibility. You make things a little bit easier for yourself and a little bit harder for everyone else, but you weren't unsafe before and they aren't unsafe after.

I haven't said they have?

You appear to be contradicting yourself, you claim someone following an SUV gets worse visibility *like as if you can see perfectly freely through any other vehicle), but then say they are not unsafe because of it?

The whole issue of being unable to see past an SUV is a non-issue IMO & IME, spun as yet another dig at SUVs on the road. Before having an SUV, had never has an issue with following one.

[Julian Scott]

otolith said:

Julian Scott said:

I haven't said they have?

That bit in quotes was something you wrote.

So you're agreeing with me, thanks.

otolith said:

Julian Scott said:

You appear to be contradicting yourself, you claim someone following an SUV gets worse visibility *like as if you can see perfectly freely through any other vehicle), but then say they are not unsafe because of it?

You can to some extent see through another vehicle, what with the top bit having a lot of glass in it, but only if you sit at about the same height as it. You can see around it and over it, to an extent which depends on how large and tall it is and how high you sit.

It's not unsafe because you can work around it in your own positioning.

So you can't really, and so you're agreeing with me, again

otolith said:

Julian Scott said:

The whole issue of being unable to see past an SUV is a non-issue IMO & IME, spun as yet another dig at SUVs on the road. Before having an SUV, had never has an issue with following one.

It's marginal in that situation, just like the advantage of sitting high up is.

Having someone in a taller car pull up on the right at a junction and block the view is flipping annoying, though - and I can see that in that situation also having a tall car gives you a tangible advantage.

I refer the Gentlemen to the answer I gave some moments ago

Julian Scott said:

Perhaps driving training is your answer.

If this behemoth truck next to you moves it is doubly safe for you to do so. Your bad driving in not doing so is what causes increased traffic delays.

[Julian Scott]

otolith said:

Julian Scott said:

Perhaps driving training is your answer.

If this behemoth truck next to you moves it is doubly safe for you to do so. Your bad driving in not doing so is what causes increased traffic delays.

You're really going to pull out blind because the guy to your right has done - when the motorcyclist who's narrowly avoided running into the guy to your right slams into the back of you, that's going to be pretty inconvenient.

Thats what IAM, Police and other driver training advises - using protected spaces.

[Julian Scott]

otolith said:

Julian Scott said:

Thats what IAM, Police and other driver training advises - using protected spaces.

Fine on a roundabout when you're going to go parallel with something and remain sheltered. Not so good at a junction if you are turning left and he's going right or straight on. He may be able to get clear of oncoming traffic that you won't be able to.

Totally agree, most would be controlled though,...and I also wouldn't trust visibility going through a similar height vehicle's greenhouse.

[Julian Scott]

So what pigeon hole do you place this ---> https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-spottedykywt/g...

New Hummer EV. 4 tonnes, 2m high, 2.5m wide, 5.5m long. 0-60 in 3.3 secs, 350 mile range.

But a 'proper' 4x4, so surely no-one has any issues with it

[Julian Scott]

biggbn said:

Julian Scott said:

So what pigeon hole do you place this ---> https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-spottedykywt/g...

New Hummer EV. 4 tonnes, 2m high, 2.5m wide, 5.5m long. 0-60 in 3.3 secs, 350 mile range.

But a 'proper' 4x4, so surely no-one has any issues with it

I love it and for one reason. Because I love it.

Same ;-)

I got a ride in a new Rivian over summer, pretty much identical to the dimensions of the Hummer. What an amazing car.

[Julian Scott]

EggsBenedict said:

Julian Scott said:

EggsBenedict said:

I certainly don't hate the idea of the OPs Jag. However, f it were me, I might have gone for the equivalent FFRR.

Thing is, the equivalent FFRR doesn't exist, and the closest thing is far bigger and about double the cost. Would be a stunning car though.

How right you are! I was convinced there was a FFRR SVR. Oh well.

No criticism of your choice BTW - certainly wouldn't mind owning your car! Just my thoughts of if "If I'm going to get an SUV, might as well get a big one..."

There is an FFRR SV Autobiography, which in V8 format (with a detuned version of my engine, only putting out a mere 530bhp) is over £150,000!

[Julian Scott]

Triumph Man said:

Julian Scott said:

So what pigeon hole do you place this ---> https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-spottedykywt/g...

New Hummer EV. 4 tonnes, 2m high, 2.5m wide, 5.5m long. 0-60 in 3.3 secs, 350 mile range.

But a 'proper' 4x4, so surely no-one has any issues with it

Put a big V8 diesel in it and it would be perfect

Typo?

[Julian Scott]

biggbn said:

carlo996 said:

popeyewhite said:

mwstewart said:

...as drivers we should be at least aware of the effect our choices have on others and their perception of us.

This.

Why would anyone worry about a strangers perception, doesn’t sound like much fun?

Drive what you want, when and where you want. All that matters is how you drive what you have chosen. I find this concept of being aware of what others may think of you because of WHAT I drive utterly ridiculous, why would I care?

This, totally.

I'm nearly two months in to my first SUV, and I've driven it noticeably more courteously and more gently than I have with sportscars and sports saloons. My fuel consumption & average speed backs that up too.

[Julian Scott]

911hope said:

biggbn said:

Drive what you want, when and where you want. All that matters is how you drive what you have chosen. I find this concept of being aware of what others may think of you because of WHAT I drive utterly ridiculous, why would I care?

But so many choose a car brand/type in order to project an image. The same as buying designer brands for clothes.
They do care what others think of them.

Do they? Do you?

[Julian Scott]

carlo996 said:

Julian Scott said:

Do they? Do you?

No evidence/looks that way.

It's always everybody else